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Ex Niss · 06-07-2013, 03:44 PM

Yes Mate, I would no worries

D4D · 06-07-2013, 03:59 PM

It's a mute point as you don't get stuck to need to be pulled out

Anth120playdo · 06-07-2013, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by Jasen

I would pull you out no problem at all, you have discussed your thoughts on these points on other threads and convinced me.

I got my yellow plates before you enlightened everyone but like I have said before it's the clubs and training people you need to convince and they will be looking at OHS legislation and will say if it's not stamped with a SWL they can't pull you out.

Toyota should stamp their points or at least put the SWL in the owners book and there would be no issue.

We should call Myth Busters and see if they will do some destruction testing for us!

There are 4x4 training facility's that say the TOYOTA in particular Prado & Hilux points are perfectly ok.
So we do not need to convince them all. I have done some destruction testing on these points & have seen others doing it too, the straps & winch rope break first every time.

Thankx.

blkd4d · 06-07-2013, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by Anth120playdo View Post

There are 4x4 training facility's that say the TOYOTA in particular Prado & Hilux points are perfectly ok.
So we do not need to convince them all. I have done some destruction testing on these points & have seen others doing it too, the straps & winch rope break first every time.

Thankx.

No I would leave you stuck and would lmfao if it was in mud . I would pull you out haven't i already done that and this topic is a hot one.

Anth120playdo · 06-07-2013, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by D4D View Post

It's a mute point as you don't get stuck to need to be pulled out

I've only been stuck once a year, on purpose being silly.
If I need real help its the winch that can get to in front of me. But pretty much drive most stuff or surrender early on.
I usually watch others get stuck & do the recovering.

Anth120playdo · 06-07-2013, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by blkd4d View Post

No I would leave you stuck and would lmfao if it was in mud . I would pull you out haven't i already done that and this topic is a hot one.

Ohh yes when we were being silly in toolangi, I drove through one way & came back to get stuck in the slop the other way. Nothing hot about it, ppl just need to use the brain.

I note no vehicle, not even the pootrol got through that one.

JPH · 06-07-2013, 04:12 PM

As I said today, you needn't worry about front recovery points as you're always in front. Only rear recovery points.... Now grab your fire extinguisher, first aid kit and get over it...

NEXT

Anth120playdo · 06-07-2013, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by JPH View Post

As I said today, you needn't worry about front recovery points as you're always in front. Only rear recovery points.... Now grab your fire extinguisher, first aid kit and get over it...

NEXT

If you bothered to listen mr s.e.s you would know I have those items in the vehicle.
I don't need to worry because mine are the best! yours might not be ok? because in a side pull, the bolts might POP ONE by one.
It would then be a missile!
Minimum requirements man.......

blkd4d · 06-07-2013, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by Anth120playdo View Post

If you bothered to listen mr s.e.s you would know I have those items in the vehicle.
I don't need to worry because mine are the best! yours might not be ok? because in a side pull, the bolts might POP ONE by one.
It would then be a missile!
Minimum requirements man.......

See we just had the meeting and this is such a hot topic , like the smart bar lol

AJ120 · 06-07-2013, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by Anth120playdo View Post

I have a 2003 120 series Prado.

It was pointed out at the 2014 gtg committee meeting today that 10mm of weld = 1+ tonne.
32 tonnes of strength in the welds.

10mm of weld does not equal 1 tonne. As discussed plenty of times before, yes your welds might be fine, but the next guys might not be.

In answer to your question, no I would not pull you out!

Cheers Andrew

Anth120playdo · 06-07-2013, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by AJ120 View Post

10mm of weld does not equal 1 tonne. As discussed plenty of times before, yes your welds might be fine, but the next guys might not be.

In answer to your question, no I would not pull you out!

Cheers Andrew

Ok so you think Toyota in Japan might have bad welds?
What is 10mm of weld worth in strength?

Anth120playdo · 06-07-2013, 05:18 PM

Also, do you know the quality & consistency of the crappy 8.8 grade bolts that often made in china are?
Like the ones that hold aftermarket recovery points on.
Look I think they are a little stronger than a snatch strap so everyone will be lucky enough.

As I have Said before I find them easy to brake by hand tightening, or sometimes stripping the thread before its tight.
Certainly don't trust bolts. Especially on a Side pull where the load is put onto the bolts one by one.

barajak · 06-07-2013, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by Anth120playdo View Post

I have a 2003 120 series Prado.
At the front It has standard, 14mm diameter, very thick steel loops welded in 4 places each one, the welds are 40mm long x4 on each point x 2 points if needed. So 320 mm + worth of welding. The welds are high quality same as the vehicles chassis when it was made in Japan. I have been recovered by them, using one side only numerous times.
IMO the are much stronger than 10-12mm ( less thread depth) 8.8 h.t bolts that would hold an aftermarket recovery point.
It was pointed out at the 2014 gtg committee meeting today that 10mm of weld = 1+ tonne.
32 tonnes of strength in the welds.
This is massively stronger than a 8- 10 tonne snatch strap.

I believe I Have he best recovery/tow points available

Would you or would you not pull me out?

Given the terrain, I would have no issues at all. There is no mud, sand or in April snow. The only vehicles needing a tow will be those on road tyres that do not let them down enough to get enough grip, and then it will be a tow. I agree with your point as if you cannot move a stuck vehicle with a lightly loaded strap, you should be using another method.

AJ120 · 06-07-2013, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by AJ120 View Post

10mm of weld does not equal 1 tonne. As discussed plenty of times before, yes your welds might be fine, but the next guys might not be.

In answer to your question, no I would not pull you out!

Cheers Andrew

How large is your weld? Was it welded horrizontaly, vertically, up or down? Rule of thumb is 25mm of 6mm fillet weld will hold one tonne, but that assumes a lot of other factors are correct.

I used to weld and train people to weld in a car factory, I would not trust a weld from a car factory.

A grade 8.8 bolt meets a standard, that standard is consistent so you know you are dealing with a known quantity.

Really what the person bogged thinks is safe is irrelevant, it's what the recoverer who is not bogged thinks that matters. This topic has been discussed to death in various threads

Cheers Andrew

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