The specs plate under bonnet and inside drivers door have it ?

No plate under the bonnet that I can see but door plate seems to have all the stuff like colour code and VIN. Unfortunately only gives the GVM.

Thanks.

Redbook lists GCM for ZR as 5600kgs.
Funny thou for the rest of the models doesn't list GCM at all.

Tony

I got excited about that but that soon faded when I saw the ZR listed at 5600 kg and the SX (my model) listed at 5100 kg. That latter figure makes no sense at all. The only difference between the cars is essentially decoration, leather, sunroof, cameras and a locker in a nutshell. Structurally the same car.

Obviously there's a lot of confusion out there. Thanks for the tip.

I have an SX and according to the owners manual the Gross Vehicle Weight for a 1KD engine (3-door) is 2600 kg.

It adds that the gross vehicle weight is the sum weight of the unloaded vehicle, driver, passengers, luggage, hitch and trailer tongue load. Also included is the weight of any special equipment installed on your vehicle.

As stated on the tow bar and tongue the maximum trailer weight is 3000kg and the maximum tongue load for the SX is 300kg.

It further states that "When using a weight carrying hitch" The gross vehicle weight value will differ when the weight carrying hitch is in use (only on the models listed below).

And then "When using the weight carrying hitch, an amount up to the total trailer weight can be towed by reducing the number of passengers.

For 3 door model

KDJ155R-GJAEYW Maximum seating capacity Gross Vehicle Mass (KG)
Front Back
2 2 2575 (note 5)
2 2 2585 (note 6)

[EDIT That didn't look right. Look at page 289 of the owners manual]


Note 5 Vehicles with intermittent wind shield wipers with interval adjuster
Note 6 Vehicles with rain-sensing windshield wipers.

So for my SX I calculate that to mean GCM = 2585 + 3000 = 5585kg

For reference, I put my bog standard SX with a second battery and Polyair bags in the back springs with a driver and 2/3 tank of diesel on the automatic weigh bridge at Broadford (Vic).

Front 1160 kg
Rear 1060 kg

Combined 2220 kg

Since my loaded camper is only about 1000kg I can go the full 2600 kg for the tug.

Note: I have no idea what a weight carrying hitch is.

S.

Double post

Isn't that a weight distribution hitch?

S

So now you know?

Yes, I knew what a "weight distribution hitch" is and your picture shows a genuine Toyota one.

I now know that the US market calls a hitch without weight distribution a "weight carrying hitch".

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/01...a-trailer.html

"Weight-Carrying Hitches:
Weight-carrying or conventional hitches are common with light-duty pickups and are frequently used for smaller trucks with a tow rating up to 5,000 pounds. The ball on a truck’s bumper or a square receiver underneath the bumper usually indicates a weight-carrying hitch. All the trailer’s tongue weight is put on the ball."

I Just found this information that I had saved from when I purchased my SX. Hope it helps.

WEIGHTS & CAPACITIES
• Note: Kerb, tare & payload weights are nominal and will vary depending on options and tray/body type. Weights
o - Kerb weight (kg) 2095
o - Gross vehicle mass (kg) 2600
o - Gross combination mass (kg) 5575
o - Gross trailer weight braked (kg) 3000
o - Gross trailer weight unbraked (kg) 750
Note: Towing capacity subject to regulatory requirements, towbar design, vehicle design and towing equipment limitations. Ask your Dealer for details of Toyota Genuine Towbar capacity and availability.

Regards
Bassett

Well there you go, now I know..

Thanks Bassett. That is a help. Did you get this from a brochure or manual ? Please let me know if you have. The problem is that I can find those weights on the net but not from a source that the RMS is going to accept. And the RMS has it as 5250 which means that if you're towing 3 tonne, the weight of the vehicle can only be 2250. As Sweetpea found out, that doesn't leave much. I know from experience that the RMS can get it wrong. And they have in this case but I need something definitive to prove it to them (eg probably something with a Toyota letterhead on it or out of a Toyota manual).

Sweetpea- the GCM (gross combined mass) is not necessarily just the combination of your GVM and the tow weight. The GCM is an independent and fixed weight determined by load bearing structures in the vehicle, brakes etc etc and can be much, much less that the GVM plus the maximum allowable trailer weight.

I believe your calculations for this vehicle are probably correct but, to give you an example, I believe Ford is being sued over their advertised 3,500 kg tow. Apparently this is limited by the GCM which means that to actually tow 3,500, the car can only have a driver and a token amount of fuel. So in that case, the GCM is more limiting than the GVM plus the advertised maximum weight of the trailer. GCM stand independent of the other weights. Without a published GCM in the owner's manual, I'm pushing the proverbial trying to prove to the RMS that their figures are wrong.

The words and figures that I used for the calculation are from the Owners Manual in my late 2009 150 SX (also known as a 155 SX).

My interpretation is that the GVM is reduced from 2600kg to 2575kg when towing the maximum trailer weight of 3000kg with a "weight carrying hitch".

One may infer that the full GVM of 2600kg can be used with a trailer weight of 3000kg if a weight distribution hitch is used.

It appears that we are fortunate not to be in the same situation as Ford drivers.

I did find a scan of a brochure and it states

Gross Vehicle Mass(13) (kg): 2600

(13) The GVM may be reduced when towing
at or near maximum capacity, please
refer to Toyota website for actual values.