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  • Is the 150 showing any signs of cracked inner guards

    A mate has warned me of the prados showing cracked inner guards from dual batteries set up. I know this was a prob with the 120 but is this the case with 150 too.

    If so I am a little hesitant to put the second battery at the front, and might have to consider putting it in the back with the fridge. What are your opinions?
    [CENTER][/CENTER][B]RYAN[/B]
    [CENTER][/CENTER]2012 White GXL TD Auto with some stuff...

  • #2
    Theres an place for a dual battery already provided in the 150, a welded on "pad" or tray exactly the same as the main battery on the other side. The main battery is on a plastic sheet 3mm thick tray so it is not even braced. I dont rekon there will be any problems with the 150 and cracking.... if there is it will be on both sides.

    I believe the UK spec come with 2 batteries already.
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    • #3
      I believe the problem affected the earlier models of the 120 series. My 2006 120 V6 didn't have that problem. It was also heavily kitted out with bull bar, lockers etc.

      Can't comment on the 150 as we haven't added any aftermarket accessories yet.

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      • #4
        150 already has a battery tray on drivers side for the auxbattery in EU vehicles so should not be an issue.
        2011 150series GXL

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        • #5
          I suggest replicating Toyota's setup on the other side rather than going for an aftermarket steel tray. And stick to the same size battery. Would be the safest option. Then just wire in an isolator or just a relay - I can post pics of the relay wiring if you're interested.
          150 D4D GX with big tyres, TPMS, Tracklander, GME, Safari breathing straw & super soft squishy custom rear springs.

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          • #6
            I now have a vertical crack on the passenger inner guard forward of the top strut mount! It has nothing to do with the dual battery as it is over the other side just behind the oem battery. Grrrr

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Schniff View Post
              I now have a vertical crack on the passenger inner guard forward of the top strut mount! It has nothing to do with the dual battery as it is over the other side just behind the oem battery. Grrrr
              Would you mind posting a photo?
              Stephen Bloomer
              I did have - 2010 GXL D4D Auto, ARB bullbar, rails, sliders, winch, 40mm lift, Brown Davis bash plates and long range tank

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              • #8
                Schniff do you have anything in the space forward of the air box? Or anything on that side of the engine bay? Maybe a pick of that would help us understand too. With your winch & ARB bar plus uprated suspension I'm not surprised at the crack - tire pressures + corrugations would be the rest of the picture I guess.... how many kms your car done?
                Hey Roo I have loose plans of heading east over easter & buying you a beer - or should that be rum?
                150 D4D GX with big tyres, TPMS, Tracklander, GME, Safari breathing straw & super soft squishy custom rear springs.

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                • #9
                  It's not on the air box side, its on the passenger side, just behind the oem battery. The winch, bar and suspension should have nothing to do with it as they are mounted to the chassis, not the body. I have done 54000 km. Will take a pic when I have time.
                  My monocoque NS Pajero had similar treatment and never showed signs of cracks. Very disappointing.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Schniff View Post
                    The winch, bar and suspension should have nothing to do with it as they are mounted to the chassis, not the body.
                    Winch & bar cause your chassis to flex/shake more than usual - body panels are mounted to the chassis & so cop the stress. Stiff suspension and high tyre pressures (ie anything above 23psi) worsens the effect of the bumps.

                    Still, you are right it is disappointing. My reference was the first 120 flying to bits after about 20,000kms - set up like yours. Second 120 mostly stock but for a Kings+Koni raise, went 80,000kms before showing some small cracks both sides. These were "repaired" under warranty as there was no bullbar.

                    My 150 front end is completely stock so I'm hoping it'll see me through to the end of diesel.

                    G.
                    150 D4D GX with big tyres, TPMS, Tracklander, GME, Safari breathing straw & super soft squishy custom rear springs.

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                    • #11
                      I thought the whole idea of having a separate chassis was for durability so this type of stuff doesn't happen?? Not good enough Toyota.

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                      • #12
                        Interesting that you used the Pajero without encountering the problems. Research I did prior to Parado 1 - in 2007 - indicated that the Pajeros were suffering from the same problems. Schiff did you use the Pajero for the same kind of work? Kms? Just curious.

                        I reconcile it with automobile evolution. The cars that can stand having a bullbar ie 100s & earlier couldn't stop or steer anyway and I wouldn't want to drive one (actually still have to drive a 70 wagon for work that's close enough but will end that hell in May at the lease end). These days we have brakes and steering on 4wds so we can actually avoid hitting things. Bullbars are a throwback to the days where we couldn't. And ironically they take our modern cars back to the dark ages by stuffing up the handling and requiring stiffer suspension (stuffing up the ride) to accommodate the extra weight.

                        Don't make cars like they used to.... thank christ for that. Still make bolt-on crap like they used to... buyer beware.
                        150 D4D GX with big tyres, TPMS, Tracklander, GME, Safari breathing straw & super soft squishy custom rear springs.

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                        • #13
                          I might be totally off the mark here, but cars (ie 4WD's) of old were never meant to be driven or perform like a car and should have been driven to it's ability/design (ie not driven like a race car around corners, etc) They never had problems with panels cracking which "I assume" had more to do with a stronger chassis and resulted in less twisting of the chassis when travelling on uneven ground/tracks. Adding a Bullbar only added to the strength of the chassis and I also assume the body mounts weren't as soft as they are now.....
                          I can't honestly see how adding a bullbar to a vehicle with a ladder chassis will cause panels to crack..... I would have thought by adding a B/bar it would strengthen the chassis in the area of limiting the twist factor when travelling over uneven ground.... Isn't the cracks in the bodypanels more related to the type of bodymounts used (ie: soft vs more of a stiffer mount)? A more ridged/stronger chassis (ie B/Bar attached), the less twist, therefore the less body twist, therefore the less metal fatigue, therefore less cracks ???
                          I'm no engineer, that's for sure, but I'm just trying to look at it logically..... If there is anybody on this forum that's had experience in vehicle design and know what factors go into chassis design? It would be great to hear from them.....

                          or....... does it simply come down to using too thin (or poor grade) of steel in 4WD's of today in order to maximise their profits??

                          Just thinking out loud here.... that's all
                          comments?
                          rob


                          PS: How much of today's vehicle strength comes from, or relies on the vehicle's windscreen? I've been told that a high portion of todays modern cars gain their strength from the windscreens..... is this true? (Just curious )
                          [I]cheers..... Rob (macca)[/I]
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                          [I][B][COLOR=Blue]Car-3: 1996 Discovery Tdi Auto[/COLOR][/B][/I]
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rob_macca67 View Post
                            I can't honestly see how adding a bullbar to a vehicle with a ladder chassis will cause panels to crack..... I would have thought by adding a B/bar it would strengthen the chassis in the area of limiting the twist factor when travelling over uneven ground
                            I think it will not be the bulbar that is causing the cracks, but the stiffer suspension put in to take the weight of the bulbar and other accessories.

                            It is a double edged sawed (in that there are problems no matter what we do). Many of us need the lift to keep the front end up after fitting accessories, but Toyota know that most Prado’s will never leave Toorak.
                            Stephen Bloomer
                            I did have - 2010 GXL D4D Auto, ARB bullbar, rails, sliders, winch, 40mm lift, Brown Davis bash plates and long range tank

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by smakb View Post
                              Toyota know that most Prado’s will never leave Toorak.
                              The good old toorak tractor, people with too much money and not enough sense...

                              Its a shame that our love of the great outdoors and vehicle manufacturers designing cars that are less and less suitable for leaving the bitumin is in total conflict!!!
                              2014 D4D 150 GXL Automatic - CHARCOAL

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