Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Is the 150 showing any signs of cracked inner guards

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #31
    Karl, do you happen to have contact details for this gentleman? If so could you please pm me an email as I would be very interested to chat to him. I was just waiting for someone else to have the issue without mods so I could go back to Toyota and prove their theory is rubbish.

    Possibility of manufacturing defect in early build 150s? Mine was Dec 09. Warranty up Feb 13. I too noticed the cracks at 55000km.

    Comment


    • #32
      Hi schniff
      I grabbed his mobile so I could call to see toyotas response and the end result. I will check with him if he is happy for me to pass it on. He isn't someone I know, just met him at a shop buying rock sliders... Will let you know.
      [B]Black '09 150 D4D GXL[/B]. ARB Winch bar, OME 2"lift, ARB underbody protection, Rock Armour sliders, Runva 11XP Winch, ARB CKMA12 air Compressor, dual batteries, Optima 55ah battery, Safari Snorkel, WetSeat Covers, Outback Ideas Recovery Points, 17x8 Dynamic Wheels, BFG Muddies 265/70r17, Awesome home made rear draws with fridge box & ARB slide, KAON transfer &a actuator guard, ARB front & rear lockers,

      Comment


      • #33
        I was so close to buying a new Mitsubishi challenger for less than a 2 yr old prado. I had doubts about the mitsu reliability etc etc. a few people said I was crazy and to go for the Toyota, they're reliable blah blah, there's a reason they cost more blah blah. Anyway my gut said the prado was the most sensible option and I went with it, hope I was right. But really sounds like they are slipping and if they keep it up they are really going to damage their brand.
        Anyway that's my winge
        [B]Black '09 150 D4D GXL[/B]. ARB Winch bar, OME 2"lift, ARB underbody protection, Rock Armour sliders, Runva 11XP Winch, ARB CKMA12 air Compressor, dual batteries, Optima 55ah battery, Safari Snorkel, WetSeat Covers, Outback Ideas Recovery Points, 17x8 Dynamic Wheels, BFG Muddies 265/70r17, Awesome home made rear draws with fridge box & ARB slide, KAON transfer &a actuator guard, ARB front & rear lockers,

        Comment


        • #34
          Originally posted by Talktheroo View Post
          Yes Karl, $60,000 to $90,000 is a lot of money for a new vehicle. TMC needs to look at those figures and start producing vehicles that don't have these big problems like once upon a time in the last century. The 95's looking better and better all the time now which should not be the case.
          Everyone on here needs to free themselves from the brand thing as TMC are not producing the quality they once were, and that's for sure. There has been some major component failures, not just here and there either. Here is a list of problems that cost more than $1,500.00 that Toyota Australia hasn't come to the party on under warranty that I know of first hand.
          The crack thing in the 120s and now the 150s although some photos would be good as I haven't seen this first hand in the 150 models.
          Seats and seal problems in the injectors, KD range of engines.
          The injectors themselves in the 1KD-FTVs. Now on their 4th parts number. They call it the G3, ye right.
          The turbo assembly problem in the KD range of engines. Most of these did get replaced under warranty after the third degree.
          The differential problems going back to the front on the 95 models. Two pinion gears is simply not enough in a 4wd vehicle and either is the size of the housing. A lot of shims were just plain faulty in the rear 120 models. The crown and the pinion gears were also very suspect as the castings are sh*t. Good one China. No, I should say good one TMC for using contractors in China.
          The head problem on the 1KZ-TE which was very wide spread. Gee, you can't even machine the head at all it's so thin, bloody chinese cutting corners on materials and the castings.
          The auto overheating problems which will surely lead to the gearbox failing if you don't install an aftermarket oil cooler. A good example of the consumer picking up the pieces for TMC.
          The latest, which is outside of the $1,500.00 thing, the price of most parts and their delivery. Gee, I don't know why any of you would use Toyota Service as this should be obvious in a lot of cases.
          Would I buy a new Toyota diesel 4wd now, no I would not, and there are better options out there now. Toyota Australia are just living off the name, but that went some time ago and it makes me angry this has happened.
          The local Ford dealer some weeks ago had six Hiluxes there in the secondhand section. The oldest was 4 years old with all showing low kms too. They have kept one and the rest went to auction because they didn't think they could sell them. All traded in on the Ranger 3.2L from tradies sick of all the problems with Toyota Australia.
          Had my say and catch you later, the Roo.
          Was saving some data to one of the managers at works thumb drive and noticed it had a bunch of Ford ranger stuff on it. When I asked him what it was about he said that we (Riotinto) were moving to rangers over the hilux and 79 series utes.
          Hopefully big businesses moving away will make Toyota sit up and take notice and realize that brand loyalty is a thing of the past and other manufacturers are willing to step up and make the changes to their vehicles to suit the modern market and take their business
          Kev,

          2010 Silver 5dr GXL, Auto, diesel, ARB Deluxe bar, ARB bash plates, lightforce 170's, safari snorkel, towbar, dual batteries, air bags, trans cooler, Kings/Koni's, ARB rack, Cooper S/T Maxx's, Rock Tamers, Beaudesert 2.75" exhaust and more to come.

          Comment


          • #35
            This is getting ridiculous... All cars have issues.

            I bet on the ranger, or colorado, or patrol forum there is as many stories of failed motors, cracked guards, failing chassis etc.

            It makes prado drivers look like a bunch of princesses.

            These things happen to vehicles, yeah it sucks but if you don't like it don't buy a 4wd and don't modify it, and don't take it off road either.

            Sure, these vehicles probably aren't as "well-built" as they used to be, I agree. But f*ck they're a hell of a lot more comfortable, capable, refined and enjoyable to drive.
            2011 150series GXL

            Comment


            • #36
              The Prado is designed for a second battery as from what I've seen the European version comes standard with one.

              The photos of the cracks seem to be in an area of compressive load and apart from the last photo there appear to be no stress raisers near the start of the cracks which is not what you would expect. Perhaps it is just due to vibration but I wonder if there is some other cause.
              krypto
              Avid PP Poster!
              Last edited by krypto; 10-07-2012, 10:35 AM.
              [B]Steve[/B]

              2010 Silver GXL Prado 150, D4D Auto, with a few non standard bits

              Comment


              • #37
                In mine, it WAS the passenger side that is cracked where the OEM battery sits. The driver side only developed a crack yesterday when I was crossing the Tanami. Relocating the aux battery to the rear does not guarantee the problem will not occur.

                I return to Adelaide on Wednesday where I will re-attack this issue with the dealer. After that I will be considering all options including legal and media.

                I agree the Ford Ranger looks like a good piece of kit. Now if they would bring out a wagon coil version I'd be interested.
                Last edited by Schniff; 10-07-2012, 02:14 PM.

                Comment


                • #38
                  Have you spoken with Darren? He is of the opinion poor suspension setup and hitting the bumpstops causes this. Considering you're running an Autocraft suspension this is interesting.
                  [url=http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=12264]My Prado[/url]

                  Comment


                  • #39
                    Schniff,
                    Those cracks looks like they occur in areas where the sheet metal has been pressed. This usually means that there is a stretch of the material in the local area. This thinning of the material is a bit of a stress concentrator. To me, it would appear that the material thickness was inadequate. Does the new crack occur in an area with similar features?

                    I'm wondering if installing a stiffer suspension (higher lb/in as opposed to longer springs) may translate a greater force to the body?

                    Comment


                    • #40
                      Given Karl's mate has the issue with standard suspension, no bar and minimal offroading it may be that it is a case of inadequate engineering, or a casting defect in the first batch of 150s rather than bar, batteries or suspension.

                      The whole point of seperate chassis construction is to prevent this stuff from happening.

                      Comment


                      • #41
                        Schniff, agree that it shouldn't be happening but its a very strange failure because from the photos there are no obvious stress raisers where the crack starts.

                        Possibly a design fault but could also be a manufacturing problem such as wrong grade of material, poor control of spot welds in the area (hard to see in the photo) or over worked materials during pressing. Metal usually fails under tension load, but the area of the cracks looks like it would be under compression load.

                        Its going to be hard to fix without understanding the root cause. Bit like the 1500rpm vibration and rattles, fix the source of the resonance and the rattles go away but its no use just trying to chase the rattles. So the question is what puts a load on the area.

                        I've had a look under my Prado, I can find the spot of the first two photos but I can't work out what area the second two photos are showing.
                        krypto
                        Avid PP Poster!
                        Last edited by krypto; 10-07-2012, 05:28 PM.
                        [B]Steve[/B]

                        2010 Silver GXL Prado 150, D4D Auto, with a few non standard bits

                        Comment


                        • #42
                          Had a longer look at my Prado but I still can't work out what the last two photos are showing.

                          I was wrong with my earlier comment, the area cracked in the first photo has been quite heavily worked in the pressing process and the shape of the pressing where the crack has formed is a stress raiser. Looking at my car that part of the sheet metal doesn't seem to be under much load. I noticed that there is a rubber dampener connecting the chassis to the ladder frame just to the front of the battery and this should take most of the load from the battery.

                          A few questions to consider when looking for the cause;
                          1. I notice that you said the cracks are on the passenger side, have there been any cracks on the drivers side? (The drivers guard seems to have less pressing work in the same area)
                          2. Has anyone used a micrometer to check the thickness of the sheet metal on and around the crack? (Is it noticeably thinner?)
                          3. Has the battery ever come loose while driving?
                          4. What is the condition of the rubber dampener connecting the chassis to the ladder frame just to the front of the battery? Is it properly attached?
                          5. Is there anything else putting a load on the pressed metal guard?
                          6. Are there any loose bolts or broken welds on the cracked guard?

                          To me it does look like a design/manufacturing issue and I can't see how Toyota can get out of fixing it. I think you would have a pretty strong case to get Toyota to pay for repairs unless there are obvious signs of overloading that aren't visible in the photo.
                          [B]Steve[/B]

                          2010 Silver GXL Prado 150, D4D Auto, with a few non standard bits

                          Comment


                          • #43
                            Hi guys

                            I just did a quick search on chassis cracks and came up with these so hopefully to prove chassis cracks are an enemy of "all" 4x4's.

                            Doesn't make anyone feel any better or acceptable to a degree but i am sure it softens the blow!

                            Some are an interesting read.

                            Nissan must of lost a lot of sales to Toyota with Cab Chassis"s
                            http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/..._Chassiss.aspx

                            Nissan Patrol Reference Document
                            http://www.scribd.com/doc/91067506/5...D-REAR-CHASSIS

                            Mazda BT 50 4 x 4 or Ford Ranger 4 x 4
                            http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/...ger_4_x_4.aspx

                            Mazda BT50 (Ranger) not suitable for carrying loads on rough roads
                            http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/...ugh_roads.aspx

                            BT50 Not capable of carrying load on rough roads
                            http://www.4wdaction.com.au/forum/vi...f=118&t=128945

                            Ford ranger Cracked Frame
                            http://www.ranger-forums.com/general...-frame-119539/

                            Chassis Cracking/Failures 130s
                            http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130...ures-130s.html

                            Cheers

                            Comment


                            • #44
                              Some of those are failures of the ladder frame which is really serious. These cracks are in the sheet metal of the guard that doesn't have much of a structural function
                              [B]Steve[/B]

                              2010 Silver GXL Prado 150, D4D Auto, with a few non standard bits

                              Comment


                              • #45
                                Gday krypto

                                I agree with you!.. I put the links out there to show that there is worse out there with all makes and in cases much worse.

                                I'm not saying panel fatigue is acceptable but like "wooley" said! It makes Prado drivers look like a bunch of princesses when you look at whats happening to the other 4x4 chassis issues.

                                Panel fatigue is still not acceptable but would be even worse with rail failure don't you think?

                                Noticed most of the cracks are within in the crumple zones?

                                Cheers

                                Comment

                                canli bahis siteleri bahis siteleri ecebet.net
                                mencisport.com
                                antalya escort
                                tsyd.org deneme bonusu veren siteler
                                deneme bonusu veren siteler
                                gaziantep escort
                                gaziantep escort
                                asyabahis maltcasino olabahis olabahis
                                erotik film izle Rus escort gaziantep rus escort
                                atasehir escort tuzla escort
                                sikis sex hatti
                                en iyi casino siteleri
                                deneme bonusu veren siteler
                                casibom
                                deneme bonusu veren siteler
                                deneme bonusu veren siteler
                                betticket istanbulbahis
                                Working...
                                X