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    Hi guys,

    I recently got a Tigerz11 12000lb 2speed winch and had it fitted by the Toyota dealer but they wouldn't wire it up to the battery. So after waiting on an offset hawse I fitted the hawse connected the winch to the battery clutched out 5m of rope went to wind it back in (using the wired controller) and it doesn't work. You can hear the solonoid click and the lights on the car dim but it doesn't winch the rope in or out, hi or low speed??

    I tried holding the revs up at about 2500 and winding but nothing happens?
    The rope was hard to pull out but I thought that this may have been due to it being brand new.

    Any help?

    P.S Do I Need a second battery for winching or should the starting battery be enough?
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  • #2
    It sounds like the gear hasn't engaged properly in the winch...
    move the winch a bit try to engage the lock again....

    EDIT: You don't really need a second battery to winch but it helps
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    Last edited by Shan; 06-01-2012, 09:54 AM.
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    • #3
      If you hear a click and the lights dim, there's current being drawn, but maybe one of the connections isn't made properly or the cables are too thin for the job and the voltage getting to the winch motor isn't sufficient to get it to turn over.

      The battery may not also be up to the task of supplying so much current, winches are power hungry little beasts.

      Good luck!

      Dave
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      • #4
        A second battery should be considered essential, but that's not what's going on here.

        Just checking that you actually have it in gear, not in free spool?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Chopper View Post
          A second battery should be considered essential
          I would be interested for you to expand on this, whilst I can see that a second battery would be useful for a winch, I would have thought it being "essential" was a bit of an exageration!

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          • #6
            I don’t see how a second battery will help, why, because most dual battery system are priority charging meaning that they won’t let the charge through to the second battery till the main battery gets to 13.6v or so and will cut out when the main battery gets to12.5v. So when the winch is used the main battery would go below 12.5v therefore using only the main battery. And If you have an isolator like Redarc with a manual override, they have maximum amps of 400 momentarily and 100 amps constant and winches use more than 100 amps. This is all based on the assumption that your winch is connected to your starting battery.

            Is this a brand new winch?
            If not you could have rust on the solenoids and because you cannot pull apart the solenoids the best way I have heard to fix this is to go forward and reverse on the remote to make the solenoids engage and disengage to knock the rust off – it may work. Also, like Fozzy said, check all the connections as it may not just be power issues, it could be a bad earth.
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            • #7
              Do you have the motor running when you are trying to use the winch - if not then try that.

              also, hook the winch onto something solid and back your car back slowly forcing the winch to turn whilst using the controller to pay out some cable. This may free things up if things have been corroded a bit in case the winch has been sitting around for a awhile.

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              • #8
                Winches are capable of pulling down much more current than your alternator can provide.

                The ideal setup will see your winch wired to your starting battery, with a switch to override your dual battery 'system'.

                You should have heavy cables between the batteries.

                We see so many 'half done' winch installations, with winches unable to operate at their full potential.

                An electric winch is much happier running at full output, for a short time, then resting for a little while, than slaving in less than optimal conditions.

                When being used under load you should: up the revs, force link the two batteries, and stop often (backing off the cable a couple of taps) to allow cooling and battery restoration.


                However, none of this is relevant if the winch is not winding in at all.

                A quality dual battery system will allow you to force link your batteries (also useful for self jumpstarts and water crossings)..

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                • #9
                  Thanks Chopper, I agree with pretty much everything you wrote, although I think that the following bit leaves room for some debate

                  When being used under load you should: up the revs, force link the two batteries
                  In my experience most recoveries are usually pretty simple affairs, snatches are usually more like tows and winchings are more often than not quick affairs that can be completed in a very short space of time, unless of course your name is Roothy

                  Anyway the dual battery system for the winch sits in the desirable, rather than essential category IMO.

                  What really has me intrigued is need to link the batteries for water crossings, can't say as I have ever heard that one before!

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                  • #10
                    Thanks Chopper, I agree with pretty much everything you wrote, although I think that the following bit leaves room for some debate

                    When being used under load you should: up the revs, force link the two batteries
                    In my experience most recoveries are usually pretty simple affairs, snatches are usually more like tows and winchings are more often than not quick affairs that can be completed in a very short space of time, unless of course your name is Roothy

                    Anyway the dual battery system for the winch sits in the desirable, rather than essential category IMO.

                    What really has me intrigued is need to link the batteries for water crossings, can't say as I have ever heard that one before!

                    Cheers Andrew

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                    • #11
                      Sure. It comes out of vehicles being so reliant on sensors and computers.

                      A submerged alternator will not make current.

                      By force linking the batteries you have double the 'float' :-) voltage which should reduce the chance of your sensors throwing something at the computer causing the computer to do something unpleasant midway through a river crossing.

                      I'll admit that it's not what would be called a likely scenario, but for the sake of pressing a button it's one that can be made even less likely.


                      As for quick winching operations... You haven't been out with me.

                      We recently spent a full 90 minutes getting a double locked ergon 79 series out of a 'hole' (big hole :-) ).

                      We did put it there on purpose.

                      I hate faked winching lessons. :-)

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                      • #12
                        Any pics? Sounds fun.
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                        • #13
                          By force linking the batteries you have double the 'float' :-) voltage which should reduce the chance of your sensors throwing something at the computer causing the computer to do something unpleasant midway through a river crossing.
                          linking the batteries won't double the voltage, anyway how long are these water crossing you are doing that you will suck enough power out of the battery that something will trip out on low voltage? If you are in the water that long then a flat battery is the least of your issues!

                          I'll admit that it's not what would be called a likely scenario, but for the sake of pressing a button it's one that can be made even less likely.
                          For the sake of pressing a button why not, I would be more concerned about a flying pig coming through the window and tearing my throat out though

                          As for quick winching operations... You haven't been out with me.

                          We recently spent a full 90 minutes getting a double locked ergon 79 series out of a 'hole' (big hole)
                          In a winching operation that long I dare say you drained both of your batteries pretty early on in the exercise, the vast majority of the power you used would have been pumped in by the alternator during the operation. I agree in this situation you do have a bit of an advantage in having 2 batteries.

                          Remember though that this is Pradopoint.com, not check out my 6 inch lifted double locked Patrol .com. If you put your Prado in a situation like that you need to take a closer look at your driving skills and habits rather than worrying about how many batteries you have to run your winch.

                          I do realize though that your example was a training exercise.

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                          • #14
                            I know you don't double the actual voltage. But you do 'double' the 'time' taken by your 'voltage drop' to reach a level where something unexpected could happen.

                            I know this isn't 6" lifts -r-us but have I given any bad advice? You may never find yourself in the scenario, but that does not mean that being aware (and prepared) is a bad thing.

                            That's the thing with advice, you don't have to follow it. :-)

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                            • #15
                              I know this isn't 6" lifts -r-us but have I given any bad advice?

                              Originally posted by Chopper View Post
                              A second battery should be considered essential,
                              This discussion started from the above statement, which I think is not entirely accurate, I personally think the times when a second battery would even be "really useful" for winching are limited in the real world.

                              The question was "do I need a second battery for winching" and the answer is NO you don't (IMO). We could debate this endlessly but the fact is that a lot of second batteries are deep cycle and not even really suitable for winching, most second batteries are put in to run the fridge not the winch.

                              As for connecting the batteries for water crossings, I find your reasoning interesting, and I will no doubt give that much thought and discussion with some knowledgeable people. My initial thoughts are that the scenario you describe is so unlikely to happen that i would be surprised if it has ever happened to anyone ever, and if it has would connecting the batteries have stopped it?

                              We are just coming at this from differing viewpoints, and as you say its upto people to make their own mind up on who is offering the best advise for their particular situation.

                              Cheers Andrew
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