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  • #16
    Originally posted by Hutch View Post
    aw well i stad corrected, having owned a shed load of commodores i would have thought this to be true. Anyhow good luck.
    Yup. Even the early VN 3.8's had 90% of their torque available from just 1200 rpm & would out-drag the Turbo VL Commy.

    Good luck with the build/conversion. Done properly you should end up with a very good 4WD.
    Esses
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    Last edited by Esses; 31-01-2013, 06:43 PM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by b00stjunk1e View Post
      However considerations need to be made for intake and exhaust systems, radiator system and im sure there is more challenges and things to think off now for its time for more research, planning, saving and acquiring
      Yeah its all the little things that you forget about till the last minute that make job interesting...

      You might also need to change the prop shaft lengths if the R151F is a different length to the W56. Just another thing to add to your to-do list

      Good luck with it. It will probably go like a bat out of hell once its finished
      [B]Declan[/B]: [SIZE=1]1997 GXL 4.5 Auto 80 series on [B][COLOR="#FF0000"]LPG[/COLOR][/B], ARB bullbar, 2" OME lift, 32" MTZ, GME UHF, rear ARB locker, Kaymar spare wheel carrier[/SIZE]
      [B]PLANNED[/B]: [SIZE=1]3 or 4" suspension lift, 2" body lift (maybe), winch, 35" MTZ + roadies, front locker, sliders, cylinder head rebuilt for [B][COLOR="#FF0000"]LPG[/COLOR][/B], Garret [COLOR="#4499ff"][B]Turbocharger[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE]

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      • #18
        Hi All,

        So I have taken the plunge and probably bought the most crucial thing, the engine. It is out of a vr commodore and has done about 220,000kms, however the reason it has been removed is because it apparently was had a bearing that was slipping. So I have started stripping it down and it looks like it has never had an oil change.

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        So next on the list is to take the head off and remove the crank, pistons etc. Then the block and head will be sent off to be dipped. Then the rebuilding process will begin.

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        • #19
          Wow, yeah that looks like a well-cared-for engine - NOT! Reminds me of some Commonwealth Courier cars I came across in my younger days. Good luck with it.

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          • #20
            Today I have mad a bit more progress and further stripped down the engine, unfortunately I only managed to take the left hand head off today for inspection and much to my surprise it was better than anticipated, although the pistons have a little bit of a coke build up on them, the cylinders are in perfect shape, with no gouges, or rubbing and they move freely. The valves are in average condition with the timing on the engine a little out, one cylinder is running too rich and the other is too hot but one is running perfectly. Nothing so far is looking out of the ordinary and I can't see any problems with the engine so I'm hoping my luck will hold out and it will be a fantastic find at the $40.

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            This picture shows the the right cylinder was running too hot as the coke has actually been burnt off the piston

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            The first two valves on the left are the ones running well, the middle pair are two hot and the ones on the right are running hot as you can see from the piston on the right aswell. Which the engine may have been running really hot and had pre ignition and or detonation damage which needs looking at.

            Hopefully another update soon, stay posted!

            Cheers Matt
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            • #21
              I was a bit worried about the engine you bought but now that you have mentioned the price I think you will be ok!

              Look forward to seeing the rest of the build, it should be good and worth the trouble.
              My 150 build - http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?27423-A-Random-approach-to-a-Bluestorm-150-GXL-D4D-automatic

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              • #22
                Hello all,

                This week I have been doing heaps more research, I have been looking into compliance side of things and looking at the legalities of swapping an engine.I have also managed to go down to pick a part today to have a look and what needs to be done to make the engine fit into the car, here are my findings for the last week.

                Compliance;

                In South Australia to install an engine of greater capacity than the one originally supplied, a Statement of Requirements must be obtained. When Transport SA is assessing an application the following factors will be considered such as weight, power and torque output in relation to braking, strength of the vehicle, effect on steering and suspension components, the effect on vehicle handling.

                Now Because the Prado is fitted from stock with a 3400 cc v6 i'm hoping i shouldn't run into too much trouble in getting approval. Because the new engine wouldn't be much heavier. No modifications are allowed to be made to the engine, but aftermarket extractors can be fitted as long as any manufacturers emission control devices are still fully functional, and it needs to comply with ADR standards on emission and exhaust laws.

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                Another legality is that the brakes have to be equal to or better than the braking system than that of the previous car. At u pull it i found a Prado and scavenged a disc break rotor and compared it to a vr commodore, however a vr commodore weighing in at 1385-1477 kg vs the prado weighing in between 1720kg - 1805kg. I am still hoping the approval process will be a breeze!

                Engine Fitment;

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                I have discovered a few issues and a few benefits to running 3800 engine,

                Problems, the exhaust runs along the other side of the car not a big problem though because a custom one will need to be fabricated in order for the car to pass a roadworthy test if one is required. The other problem is the air filter box and intake is on the wrong side, to either the intake needs to be modified or i need to buy a turbo diesel snorkel and buy another front quarter panel. Which means there is potential for airflow problems.

                However the engine being so small i have an increase in space in the engine bay, the alternator is also mounted up at the top of the engine, and the oil filter is somewhere sensible so a huge bonus however i'm not sure how its going to go being in a different location

                Work Done;
                So today I managed to take the other head, air conditioning compressor and starter motor off and the good news is I think I may have found the problem the starter motor may be it! When i bought the engine the previous owner said the mechanic could only crank the engine backwards which since I have been working on the engine each piston moves when the crank is spun so i'm hoping that's the case I just need to test my theory.


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                As you can see from the pictures there is the usual carbon build up, unfortunately each piston is running slightly hot, but each piston moves freely and the cylinders are all in good condition! Next on my list is to strip the engine down to the block and get it dipped and order my rebuild kit.

                Another Update soon Stay posted !

                Cheers Matt
                b00stjunk1e
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                Last edited by b00stjunk1e; 24-03-2013, 06:28 PM. Reason: addition of pictures

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                • #23
                  Good work Matt! Should be great once it's all done. I've been thinking about such a conversion should the 3400 V6 spit the dummy, except perhaps going for the supercharged 3.8L V6.
                  That or a gen 3. At least I'd then have the power to match my fuel consumption
                  P.s. Have you checked out the business 'V6 Conversions' ? Should find some tips there.
                  Cheers, Ben.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Torrie 72 View Post
                    Good work Matt! Should be great once it's all done. I've been thinking about such a conversion should the 3400 V6 spit the dummy, except perhaps going for the supercharged 3.8L V6.
                    That or a gen 3. At least I'd then have the power to match my fuel consumption
                    P.s. Have you checked out the business 'V6 Conversions' ? Should find some tips there.
                    Cheers, Ben.
                    Thanks for the link Ben, I'm just confirming this is the website you where talking about http://www.v6conversions.com.au/, My long term plan is to stroke the engine to either 4.2 or 4.5 focusing on making a higher torque so large pistons and a short stroke, and supercharging it or swapping it out again for a lexus 1UZ-FE maybe supercharged ;D. But it just depends on how the commodore engine goes there are a few benefits to running one including the accessibility of parts, location of engine components such as alternator and oil filter there in such a fantastic location and the engine is so simple and easy to work on!

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                    • #25
                      [QUOTE=b00stjunk1e;398615]Thanks for the link Ben, I'm just confirming this is the website you where talking about http://www.v6conversions.com.au/,

                      Yeah I think that's the same mob - pretty ordinary website. I know they advertise in just parts mag so maybe check that out.
                      Have you calculated the before and after power to weight figures? Would be interested to know...
                      Cheers, Ben.

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                      • #26
                        Well, unfortunately I have got some bad news;

                        As it turns out, the lady at Transport SA, So was the person I spoke to at regency. As per my discussion with regency it is absolutely fine to do the conversion, and was impressed with the research I have already looked at, All that was needed was to file for approval to get my list of requirements from the Vehicle Inspection Group, make sure my conversion follows their requirements and that the car passes the roadworthy test and its all hunky dory, The car is officially a v6. Another good bit of news is as long as the engine is made after 1989 you will have no problems getting it through the test.

                        Now for my personal problem, P plates and high powered vehicle measures, unfortunately this is classed as a performance enhancing measure. According so to someone else from another department who was very helpful, even using the other Toyota engines i still am unable to swap it out, unlike i was told over the counter at transport SA. So unfortunately this build is no longer taking place and the v6 block will make a nice coffee table.


                        But as for my predicament, I am hoping to upgrade my beloved Prado to a 4.5l 105 series land cruiser, due to wage increases i can now afford to do what I couldn't do last year. As for this thread a conversion might still happen, my father is looking at buying my car and doing a v8 conversion so I will keep you all informed.

                        Thanks for all your help and support,

                        Matt

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by b00stjunk1e View Post
                          But as for my predicament, I am hoping to upgrade my beloved Prado to a 4.5l 105 series land cruiser, due to wage increases i can now afford to do what I couldn't do last year. As for this thread a conversion might still happen, my father is looking at buying my car and doing a v8 conversion so I will keep you all informed.

                          Thanks for all your help and support,

                          Matt
                          Just don't get excited about the performance of 105 series 4.5 Petrol. I found the 80 series 4.5's are noticeably slower than my 3.4 V6 90 series was so I can't imagine it being much better than the 2.7 Prado. In standard form, 105 series 4.5 has almost the same power output as the 80 series 4.5 and its heavier.

                          HOWEVER: I do hear good things about the 4.5s once they are turbo'd. When done properly they can put out over 300KW at the wheels.
                          williade
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                          Last edited by williade; 28-03-2013, 02:53 PM.
                          [B]Declan[/B]: [SIZE=1]1997 GXL 4.5 Auto 80 series on [B][COLOR="#FF0000"]LPG[/COLOR][/B], ARB bullbar, 2" OME lift, 32" MTZ, GME UHF, rear ARB locker, Kaymar spare wheel carrier[/SIZE]
                          [B]PLANNED[/B]: [SIZE=1]3 or 4" suspension lift, 2" body lift (maybe), winch, 35" MTZ + roadies, front locker, sliders, cylinder head rebuilt for [B][COLOR="#FF0000"]LPG[/COLOR][/B], Garret [COLOR="#4499ff"][B]Turbocharger[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE]

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                          • #28
                            double post
                            williade
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                            Last edited by williade; 28-03-2013, 02:52 PM.
                            [B]Declan[/B]: [SIZE=1]1997 GXL 4.5 Auto 80 series on [B][COLOR="#FF0000"]LPG[/COLOR][/B], ARB bullbar, 2" OME lift, 32" MTZ, GME UHF, rear ARB locker, Kaymar spare wheel carrier[/SIZE]
                            [B]PLANNED[/B]: [SIZE=1]3 or 4" suspension lift, 2" body lift (maybe), winch, 35" MTZ + roadies, front locker, sliders, cylinder head rebuilt for [B][COLOR="#FF0000"]LPG[/COLOR][/B], Garret [COLOR="#4499ff"][B]Turbocharger[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE]

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by AJ120 View Post
                              I thought on your P's you couldn't drive any vehicle that had been modified for more power, might pay to double check that before taking the plunge.

                              Cheers Andrew
                              I thought that would be the case.

                              Cheers Andrew
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