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  • #31
    I've just had a 2" Lovells spring upgrade done, on top of existing Bilstein shocks upgrade done 18 months ago but still in good condition. The end result is fantastic with plenty of extra clearance both front and back. I had HD springs put on the front to carry the extra weight and standards on the rear with polyair bags for when we load up and go camping. The steering is now way more responsive and the car doesn't dive and roll into corners.

    Before:

    Front Left: 750mm
    Front Right: 740mm
    Rear Left: 820mm
    Rear Right: 800mm

    After:
    Front Left: 805mm
    Front Right: 820mm
    Rear Left: 850mm
    Rear Right: 860mm

    There used to be a lean to the drivers side which has now been corrected albeit it now leans a bit the passengers side - damn KDSS - but I've been told it will settle over the next couple of weeks. I'll post up some measurements then to see how it has settled. Also to note is that I'm riding on 18" wheels so the measurement will be approx 13mm more than those on 17's.

    VXWesty
    [SIZE=1]2011 Crystal Pearl VX D4D Auto, MT ATZ 4 Rib, Full River 105AH / Redarc SBi12 DBS (TJM Tray), CKMA12 Air Comp, Alpine INA-W910R - PDX-5 - Type-R Speakers, Engel MT60FP, Rhino Alloy Platform, Foxwing Awning, Rear 12V Cig and Engel Socket, ARB Deluxe Combi Bar, Safari Snorkel, LF 240 XGT's + HID Upgrade, HB3 (9005) HID Upgrade, Bilstein / Lovells 2" Lift Suspension, Chip-It, Alpine PKG-RSE2 Roof DVD Monitors, Maxtrax, GME TX3540 + AE409L, Avenger TDS 9.5, ARB UVP, ARB Protection Steps.
    [/SIZE]

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    • #32
      How do you find the bilstein stocks?
      I have the Lovell shocks and springs in my 120 and like them but a mate of mine with similar suspension believed the bilstein/ Lovell combination should be a better option
      2013 150 Series GXL Prado, Auto,White
      ARB Delux winch bar, VRS 9000lb winch with dynamica rope, Lightforce Spotlights
      Hayman Reece tow bar, 2inch Lovell Spring & Shocks
      Dual batteries, GME CB, ERP's Rust Proofing
      Bridgestone D697LT All Terrain Tyres & Micky Thompson Mtz's

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      • #33
        Although I havent used other brands to compare it too, I'm very happy with this combo now that I've got the new springs. I had Lovells springs before but only standard height and spring rate so with the extra weight on the front, the car became a little sloppy. It's a different beast now and I'm really happy with the end result. The steering is lighter and the car is much more responsive. I think the HD springs are a perfect match for the weight i'm carrying... Bull Bar, Lights, Winch, 2nd Battery and ARB Bash plates.

        VXWesty
        [SIZE=1]2011 Crystal Pearl VX D4D Auto, MT ATZ 4 Rib, Full River 105AH / Redarc SBi12 DBS (TJM Tray), CKMA12 Air Comp, Alpine INA-W910R - PDX-5 - Type-R Speakers, Engel MT60FP, Rhino Alloy Platform, Foxwing Awning, Rear 12V Cig and Engel Socket, ARB Deluxe Combi Bar, Safari Snorkel, LF 240 XGT's + HID Upgrade, HB3 (9005) HID Upgrade, Bilstein / Lovells 2" Lift Suspension, Chip-It, Alpine PKG-RSE2 Roof DVD Monitors, Maxtrax, GME TX3540 + AE409L, Avenger TDS 9.5, ARB UVP, ARB Protection Steps.
        [/SIZE]

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        • #34
          Originally posted by brock05 View Post
          I would be driving the vehicle first. I didn't intend to change my suspension either but whilst the standard ride comfort is excellent the poor handling, heavy nose diving under braking and just generally handling like a pillow on wheels is well worth looking at a change. If your not after a lift I would still seriously look at atleast changing your springs although not sure how the standard shocks/struts would handle a higher spring rate. It is certainly a pandora's box, I have been researching suspension for a couple of months and don't feel any closer to making a decision.

          Cheers
          Brad
          Hi Brad,
          Are you any closer to making a suspension decision?
          2013 Kakadu, pearl white, Cooper ST MAXX 275 65 18 123Q tyres, Safari Snorkel, ARB UVP, diff breathers, UHF GME TX3345, Red Arc 2nd battery, BMW luggage hdp, tint, ARB bull bar, synthetic winch, OME 2" lift, LED Intensity spot lights, ARB side steps, Kaymar rear bumper with 2 JC, spare and LED pole ligh, ARB compressor, ARB front air locker, Toyota rear diff lock.

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          • #35
            Just curious here..... have u done any big trips where you're fully loaded or have u done any towing ??


            Originally posted by VXWesty View Post
            I've just had a 2" Lovells spring upgrade done, on top of existing Bilstein shocks upgrade done 18 months ago but still in good condition. The end result is fantastic with plenty of extra clearance both front and back. I had HD springs put on the front to carry the extra weight and standards on the rear with polyair bags for when we load up and go camping. The steering is now way more responsive and the car doesn't dive and roll into corners.

            Before:

            Front Left: 750mm
            Front Right: 740mm
            Rear Left: 820mm
            Rear Right: 800mm

            After:
            Front Left: 805mm
            Front Right: 820mm
            Rear Left: 850mm
            Rear Right: 860mm

            There used to be a lean to the drivers side which has now been corrected albeit it now leans a bit the passengers side - damn KDSS - but I've been told it will settle over the next couple of weeks. I'll post up some measurements then to see how it has settled. Also to note is that I'm riding on 18" wheels so the measurement will be approx 13mm more than those on 17's.

            VXWesty
            [I]cheers..... Rob (macca)[/I]
            [I][B][COLOR=DarkRed]Car-4: 1996 Defender Tdi [/COLOR][/B][/I]
            [I][B][COLOR=Blue]Car-3: 1996 Discovery Tdi Auto[/COLOR][/B][/I]
            [B][I][COLOR=Green]Car-2: 1993 Suzuki Vitara 4Dr (modified for Playing) [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]Now Retired[/COLOR][COLOR=Green] [/COLOR][/I][/B]
            [B][I][COLOR=DarkOrchid]Car-1: 2010 Toyota Prado 150's (Missus Car/current touring vehicle)[/COLOR][/I][/B]

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Bawky View Post
              Hi Brad,
              Are you any closer to making a suspension decision?
              Yeah mate actually installed my lift and airbags yesterday. I went with OME, 90010 front struts with 2885 springs, rear shocks are 60080 with 2889 springs. I imported a set of Firestone coil rite airbags. Install all went fairly easy except I had to do a fair bit of measuring to work out how much of the rear spring locator/bump stop I had to cut off to suit the airbags. Early days but the ride seems pretty good. I've got 5psi in the bags currently.
              Below are the measurements I ended up with.

              Front right - 750mm before - 815mm after
              Front left - 750mm before - 815 after
              Rear right - 790mm before - 850mm after
              Rear left - 790mm before - 850mm after

              I have a steel bar on the front and dual batteries but no winch yet. In the back I've just got towbar and a waeco CFX40 fridge with half a tank of fuel. I plan on putting rear drawers and cargo barrier later in the year but shouldn't change the height to much.

              Cheers
              Brad
              2016 [B][I][COLOR="#696969"]GRAPHITE[/COLOR][/I][/B] GXL TD 2.8, ARB Deluxe Winch Bar, 285/65/18, Outback Solutions Drawers, Safari Snorkel, Hayman Reese HD Towbar, Firestone Coilrite Airbags, Bilstein & Dobinson lift, AMTS rear wheel spacer, Redarc Tow Pro Elite, Rhino Pioneer Platform (2128x1236mm) with more to come.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Bawky View Post
                Hi Brad,
                Are you any closer to making a suspension decision?
                Yeah mate actually installed my lift and airbags yesterday. I went with OME, 90010 front struts with 2885 springs, rear shocks are 60080 with 2889 springs. I imported a set of Firestone coil rite airbags. Install all went fairly easy except I had to do a fair bit of measuring to work out how much of the rear spring locator/bump stop I had to cut off to suit the airbags. Early days but the ride seems pretty good. I've got 5psi in the bags currently.
                Below are the measurements I ended up with.

                Front right - 750mm before - 815mm after
                Front left - 750mm before - 815 after
                Rear right - 790mm before - 850mm after
                Rear left - 790mm before - 850mm after

                I have a steel bar on the front and dual batteries but no winch yet. In the back I've just got towbar and a waeco CFX40 fridge with half a tank of fuel. I plan on putting rear drawers and cargo barrier later in the year but shouldn't change the height to much.

                Cheers
                Brad
                2016 [B][I][COLOR="#696969"]GRAPHITE[/COLOR][/I][/B] GXL TD 2.8, ARB Deluxe Winch Bar, 285/65/18, Outback Solutions Drawers, Safari Snorkel, Hayman Reese HD Towbar, Firestone Coilrite Airbags, Bilstein & Dobinson lift, AMTS rear wheel spacer, Redarc Tow Pro Elite, Rhino Pioneer Platform (2128x1236mm) with more to come.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by rob_macca67 View Post
                  Just curious here..... have u done any big trips where you're fully loaded or have u done any towing ??
                  Hi Rob,

                  Not yet, but I plan to when I get a bit of spare time as it's the main reason I got the lift kit. I towed a Camprite Trailer on a big trip earlier in the year and would have liked the Polyairs then as the rear sagged a little bit, especially with the extra weight in the rear with the Engel and other gear.

                  VXWesty
                  [SIZE=1]2011 Crystal Pearl VX D4D Auto, MT ATZ 4 Rib, Full River 105AH / Redarc SBi12 DBS (TJM Tray), CKMA12 Air Comp, Alpine INA-W910R - PDX-5 - Type-R Speakers, Engel MT60FP, Rhino Alloy Platform, Foxwing Awning, Rear 12V Cig and Engel Socket, ARB Deluxe Combi Bar, Safari Snorkel, LF 240 XGT's + HID Upgrade, HB3 (9005) HID Upgrade, Bilstein / Lovells 2" Lift Suspension, Chip-It, Alpine PKG-RSE2 Roof DVD Monitors, Maxtrax, GME TX3540 + AE409L, Avenger TDS 9.5, ARB UVP, ARB Protection Steps.
                  [/SIZE]

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                  • #39
                    Oh Ok.... We had the HD Front Lovells and the Mid-rate ones in the back but no airbags in the rear and I found that when towing the van, it didn't really handle the ball rate of our van & our trip out west last year took its toll on the suspension. When I got home I had found that it sagged a fair bit.... or what I'd classed as sagging. The height front/rear was that much more than it was from std form.... in the end, maybe I should have just installed airbags in the rear in the 1st place....anyways, I ended up changing over to Dobinsons and will see what they are like after our touring trip this year.....

                    Originally posted by VXWesty View Post
                    Hi Rob,

                    Not yet, but I plan to when I get a bit of spare time as it's the main reason I got the lift kit. I towed a Camprite Trailer on a big trip earlier in the year and would have liked the Polyairs then as the rear sagged a little bit, especially with the extra weight in the rear with the Engel and other gear.

                    VXWesty
                    rob_macca67
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                    Last edited by rob_macca67; 09-06-2013, 06:47 AM.
                    [I]cheers..... Rob (macca)[/I]
                    [I][B][COLOR=DarkRed]Car-4: 1996 Defender Tdi [/COLOR][/B][/I]
                    [I][B][COLOR=Blue]Car-3: 1996 Discovery Tdi Auto[/COLOR][/B][/I]
                    [B][I][COLOR=Green]Car-2: 1993 Suzuki Vitara 4Dr (modified for Playing) [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000]Now Retired[/COLOR][COLOR=Green] [/COLOR][/I][/B]
                    [B][I][COLOR=DarkOrchid]Car-1: 2010 Toyota Prado 150's (Missus Car/current touring vehicle)[/COLOR][/I][/B]

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                    • #40
                      Just had the TJM XGS setup installed. Standard Duty.

                      Before :
                      Front Left: 745mm
                      Front Right: 763mm
                      Rear Left: 776mm
                      Rear Right: 800mm

                      After:
                      Front Left: 780mm (35mm)
                      Front Right: 790mm (27mm)
                      Rear Left: 835mm (59mm)
                      Rear Right: 845mm (45mm)

                      The fronts are a little lower than I'd expected, but I'm happy it is sitting flatter (laterally) overall and it's a nice firm ride.

                      The whole vehicle sits noticeably flatter around the corners too.
                      2010 Prado GX 3.0L TD - "Paul" - TJM XGS 40mm Lift Kit, Firestone Coilrite Airbags, 5000kg Rated Front Recovery Points, Sure Power Battery Isolator and Dual Battery Setup, Airtec Snorkel, HID High Beam Headlights.
                      2008 Jayco Dove Outback - "Davo"

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                      • #41
                        CBM the front is about right mine is 790ish, u do have multiple spacer options though with the TJM.

                        Hutch- Prado 2012 petrol with the TJM Catologue.
                        [b]Rob[/b]

                        [b]2016 Toyota Hilux SR5 D4D Auto Company Cruiser... [/b].
                        [url=http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?23866-Hutch-s-2012-150-GXL-V6-petrol-Auto]Hutch's 2012 Build up[/url]
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                        • #42
                          Hutch, I can't find a link on the TJM website. What size spacers are available for the 150 series kit? And are they a simple or a complex install? (ie just a matter of placing above/below the coil? Or will it involve wheel alignment etc)
                          2010 Prado GX 3.0L TD - "Paul" - TJM XGS 40mm Lift Kit, Firestone Coilrite Airbags, 5000kg Rated Front Recovery Points, Sure Power Battery Isolator and Dual Battery Setup, Airtec Snorkel, HID High Beam Headlights.
                          2008 Jayco Dove Outback - "Davo"

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                          • #43
                            cbm it is not a 10 minute job and you will need a wheel alignment after. Spacers are available in sizes from 6mm to 25mm (I think). For each 1mm additional spacer the lift will be approximately 2mm. My suspension has 32mm of spacers in the strut. No lift is 10mm. Again I think.
                            My 150 build - http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?27423-A-Random-approach-to-a-Bluestorm-150-GXL-D4D-automatic

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                            • #44
                              Thanks mjrandom. I'm just thinking for down the track if I want it a tad higher. Why is the additional height 2:1 against spacer height?
                              2010 Prado GX 3.0L TD - "Paul" - TJM XGS 40mm Lift Kit, Firestone Coilrite Airbags, 5000kg Rated Front Recovery Points, Sure Power Battery Isolator and Dual Battery Setup, Airtec Snorkel, HID High Beam Headlights.
                              2008 Jayco Dove Outback - "Davo"

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                              • #45
                                Just the ratio of distance from the pivot point. The wheel is a bit less than twice the distance from the lower arm pivot than the strut position.
                                My 150 build - http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?27423-A-Random-approach-to-a-Bluestorm-150-GXL-D4D-automatic

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