Would you pull me out?

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So based on that comment rags would you snatch of a tow ball if that's all you had? After all it's the Australian thing to do!

Cheers Andrew

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So based on that comment rags would you snatch of a tow ball if that's all you had? After all it's the Australian thing to do!

Cheers Andrew

No i would use the alternative method pull the hiitch receiver out and place my hitch recovery tounge into the towbar and if i didn't have that i would slip the strap thru the towbar pin ,and if was a towbar stolen of an xd falcon i would remove the towball and put the shackel bolt thru that hole. But I would ensure i attempted to recover the stuck car. Again i would ensure in any snatching or winching that i used a dampener cover over the strap,and that could be as simple as using a jacket,or floormat .

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The other thing i should say is i use a equalising strap onto the 2 points so to share the load,and yes i would have that with me as i carry it all in the 1 kit so ,i will always have my gear together,
And so that gets me to 300 posts

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You don't trust aftermarket recovery points designed specifically for the purpose of recovering the vehicle because they are bolted on and not welded on. Even though this is an engineered solution done on fancy calculators by men waring fancy white coats.
You do not recognise an official stamped SWL

I have seen many of these after market tie down points from different manufacturers - all look the same with the two holes attaching to the radiator chassis bar. Some have an SWL stamped on them some have nothing.

I think you are fooling yourself if you think these have been 'engineered', more likely someone found a convenient point to mount a lump of steel and starts selling them. If there are any calculations done to work out the SWL it's probably simply done on the tensile strength of the steel rather than a test on these specific points. As soon as you bolt the 'recovery' point to the vehicle (or anything else for that matter) the SWL becomes completely meaningless - that's why it's taken ARB so long to come up with rated recovery points for anything. There are quite simply no true 'rated' recovery points for the Prado.

While folk are worrying about the welds on the Toyota loops, don't forget that the loops (and the after market points for that matter) are attached to a bracket welded to the underside of the chassis. You question the factory welding of the loops but don't even consider the welding attaching this bar to the chassis.

I would rather have a recovery point that also picks up on the main chassis further back as well as the two points on the radiator rail.

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They have a Safe Working Load stamp and if they fail the manufacturers are liable under the warrantee.

Good luck with that claim, I'm sure they will demonstrate that their recovery point itself didn't break and it's not their responsibility what you bolted it to.

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#### you know I called them tie down points just to wind you up.

I know you have a mechanical background and think you know best about a lot of things and most of the rest of us are clueless but I have had a lot of training in lifting and pulling in the construction industry with cranes, the Royal Engineers with heavy plant, vehicle recovery, bridges etc. and the Army Air Corps lifting loads with helicopters and flying hundreds of kms with under slung loads and the first item on any lifting plan is check the SWL and condition of all equipment to be used and ensure it is fit for purpose.

All the training I have been given tells me that these points are not fit for purpose because they are not designed for the purpose of recovering the vehicle even though I do actually agree that common sense says they should be ok.

Like I said, I have full faith in the factory points and only got the yellow ones because I read that some clubs and training organisations make it a prerequisite due to the safety nazis.

If anyone is reading this considering if they should get aftermarket recovery points or trust the factory one;
I would say for the small cost get the yellow ones. They have a Safe Working Load stamp and if they fail the manufacturers are liable under the warrantee.
If you trust the factory ones and they fail Mr T will say you are on your own as the points are not designed for that purpose and you could be liable for any injuries or damage caused.

#### I would pull you out without a second thought. (Once you had signed a disclaimer, don't worry I carry generic disclaimers in my glove box that can easily be adapted for this application)


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All I need to know is you believe in the rock solid 14mm 4x welded each side points that's all :-)

I completely understand the swl thing.

Rags is a believer too :-)

All those views only 1 clear NO I won't pull you out. I expected at least 10.......
There are some smart cookies browsing along, thinking I'm staying out of this stir up.
These got to be more to come.

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I have seen many of these after market tie down points from different manufacturers - all look the same with the two holes attaching to the radiator chassis bar. Some have an SWL stamped on them some have nothing.

I think you are fooling yourself if you think these have been 'engineered', more likely someone found a convenient point to mount a lump of steel and starts selling them. If there are any calculations done to work out the SWL it's probably simply done on the tensile strength of the steel rather than a test on these specific points. As soon as you bolt the 'recovery' point to the vehicle (or anything else for that matter) the SWL becomes completely meaningless - that's why it's taken ARB so long to come up with rated recovery points for anything. There are quite simply no true 'rated' recovery points for the Prado.

While folk are worrying about the welds on the Toyota loops, don't forget that the loops (and the after market points for that matter) are attached to a bracket welded to the underside of the chassis. You question the factory welding of the loops but don't even consider the welding attaching this bar to the chassis.

I would rather have a recovery point that also picks up on the main chassis further back as well as the two points on the radiator rail.

You know what's going on.
I do consider all the welds, as you said it's all on that lower bracket.
Mine has had some serious pulls on it, including from one side.
There is no sign of any movement or cracking.
It's unbelievably strong.

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I would pull anyone out at all costs if it really come down to it and I have done a tow ball recovery on a little Jiminy thingy that I couldn't find any other points on it. I didn't snatch it, it was a gentle pull as it was very light and I made sure everyone was well clear.

I'm sure we would all do what ever we had too to help out.


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I would simple only tow a vehicle out if it was by the towball.
We all know they can & do brake, even towing trailers on the road.
If your helping out, DUck, as the towball will hit about the rear view mirror as it flies past.
Tow strap softly not a snatch hey.

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That's all good, I can tell you will be able to lift it by any 1 point no probs because that's only 2.5t
They will take more then that to brake.
But you will get oil in ya manifolds etc lol.....

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I have a 2003 120 series Prado.

Would you or would you not pull me out?

Your factory points are exactly the same as mine and are unsuitable for vehicle recovery. That's why I fitted aftermarket points. After 2006 the factory points were improved and strengthened, but still unsuitable for vehicle recovery. Toyota won't stand by them as recovery points, why should I?

No, I would not pull you out. I'd be more than happy to lend you my shovel and watch you dig it out though

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Again i would ensure in any snatching or winching that i used a dampener cover over the strap,and that could be as simple as using a jacket,or floormat .

Have you seen the testing that shows how useless air brake dampners like that are? If you had you wouldn't waste your time.

Who actually knows how dampen a snatch strap?

Anybody!

Cheers Andrew

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I check the vehicle I'm recovering & I use my brain.
I've winched vehicles by control arms & other running gear because it was stringer than their tie down point, or because you cannot connect to pissy little such points.
Tie down points are very thin & ok for a tow & tie down much different to what we have.

Uncommon sense.

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#### if I win the loto tonight I won't worry about a bit of oil as I will be getting a new Kakadu with Radar Cruise and Terran Sellect. O and a Smartbar with a winch mount this time lol


All joking aside let all agree that we will help out anyone that needs our help in the safest way we can.

Steve there is a latte waiting for you any time you are passing through Perth mate.

2 of us won't. 2 of us think those 14mm diameter points 13-32 tonne welded points aren't worth a pinch of sh!t well more like 4? 2 more didn't say but. Thought i Knew those 4 answers before they posted.
Out of 500 views :-) in 1 night.

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You use 2 at the 1/3rd points

Cheers
steve

That's only part of the answer!

Cheers Andrew

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####,

To 100% answer your question..

Yes i would pull you out , using a bridle and tow strap rather than snatch strap.

To answer Jasens questions.

yes i would help dig you out, collect leaves sticks twigs and whatever else required to get you unstuck.

Cheers
Steve

Whenever this topic comes up about suitable recovery points then what happens in a snatch recovery is the issue. If all that is needed is a gentle tow then fine, the forces involved in that are minuscule compared to a snatch. If you get to the point of needing to do a snatch recovery then recovery protocol dictates you have exhausted all other options, lowering pressures, engaging any diff locks, reversing out, placing something under the wheels such a sticks or rocks or Maxtrax, winch etc etc.

So if all other options are exhausted and a full snatch is the last option and I don't believe the points are Safe why would I risk my or others lives?

Hey I would lend you my phone, sat phone or HF to call for a professional recovery service, I would give you a ride if I had a spare seat, but I wouldn't do an unsafe IMO snatch recovery, nor should anyone expect me too.

Cheers Andrew