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  • Defect for roof mounted driving lights

    There are a number of folks on here with roof mounted driving lights, and as such this may be of interest.

    Was away with a mate a couple of weekends back around the outskirts of Sydney pottering along in the middle of the day when he got stopped by the highway patrol. The reason: driving light (LED bar) mounted on his roof.

    He was given a defect notice for the light but thankfully a warning instead of a monetary fine.

    The relevent legislation on the defect notice is:
    - ADR 13/00 section 7.3
    - Specifically section 7.3.4.3, which states the light must be fitted at the front of the vehicle.

    Of note, he was also advised about section 7.3.2.1 which states lights must be in a combination of either 2 or 4. In this instance he was advised the legislation had not kept up with technology and so no defect would be issued.

    Even though this was in NSW the ADR's apply Australia wide. I see countless vehicles with lights on the roof all over the place, so it is clearly not a well known issue.

    Edit:
    The relevant ADR can be found here:
    http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F20...f-844000bab145
    Last edited by JGD; 02-04-2015, 09:24 AM.
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    The Vic rules say this about Light Bars:

    As Victoria’s in-service vehicle standards mirror the Australian Design Rule requirements this decision means that LED light bars can be fitted to vehicles in Victoria. Constraints remain on the fitment of LED light bars, so any LED light bar that is fitted must be installed in alignment with the following requirements:
    • The lamps should, as far as is possible, be installed symmetrically in pairs to the front of the vehicle.
    • If lamps are not fitted as pairs (e.g. one, three etc), they must be fitted to the front of the vehicle, symmetrically about the centre.
    • A maximum of four driving lamps (including LED light bars) can be fitted to a vehicle in addition to the vehicle’s main beam headlamps.
    • The lamp/s must be installed in a way that the light produced does not cause the driver of the vehicle discomfort either directly or by reflection.
    • The lamp/s must only come on when the main-beam (high beam) headlamps are used, and must automatically turn off when the main-beam headlamps are turned off.
    • The lamps must not obstruct the driver’s view of the road.


    https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safe...driving-lights
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    • #3
      Thanks for the "Heads Up" JGD
      Was any discussion had about opaque covers for roof mounted lights, or isolating the circuit powering them. eg. off road use only?
      Might have a read through above link.
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      • #4
        In Sa it is illegal to have any lights fitted above the centre line of Windscreen wipers.

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        • #5
          For QLD, taken from tmr website:

          Vehicle standards instruction (general 15.0)
          Fitment and use of driving lamps including light emitting diode (LED) light bars on vehicles


          Requirements for the fitting fitment and use of driving lamps including Light Emitting Diode (LED)
          Light Bars on Vehicles, excluding motor bikes and motor trikes.
          • The lamps should, as far as is possible, be installed symmetrically in pairs to the front of the vehicle.
          • If lamps are not fitted as pairs (e.g. one, three etc), they must be fitted to the front of the vehicle,
          symmetrically about the centre.
          • The lamp/s must be installed in a way that the light produced does not cause the driver of the vehicle
          discomfort either directly or by reflection.
          • The lamp/s must only come on when the main-beam (high beam) headlamps are used, and must
          automatically turn off when the main-beam headlamps are turned off.
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          • #6
            I dont think they will ever pass laws to allow light bars or spots on the roof in any state.
            They have been on top of 4x4's for so long i think the cops just turn a blind eye to it.But i and others have had notices giving by motorbike cops in the bush to have them taken off.No fines thank god.
            Does not matter if there only wired for off road use either ( like mine ) still illegal

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            • #7
              The frustrating thing about issues such as these is that the so called 'experts' (ie: your local ARB/TJM/etc) don't seem to care about the requirements, as long as they get your money.

              In the instance of my mate above, the roof mounted driving light was installed by a 'professional' 4WD accessory dealer. They were contacted after the defect was issued and confirmed they were aware light should only be mounted at the front, but put it on the roof cause "you asked for it".

              While it is ultimately the responsibility of the owner to ensure their vehicle is compliant, a professional installer should at the very least advise the owner if they have been asked to install/modify/change something that will make the vehicle non-compliant - especially when they are aware what they are being asked to do should not be done.

              While in this case no fine was issued, my mate still had to spend a good portion of a day getting the defect cleared (removing the light, inspection through an authorised station then attending the RMS with the paperwork).
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              • #8
                Oh nooo really?! That sucks, I want to purchase a rhino roof rack just to mount one of these LED bars! If I do it in pairs it will be ok then?

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                • #9
                  Generally, I think it comes down to the mood/attitude of the police man/woman you get.
                  In my many years of experience watching highway patrol, as far as I am aware, they don't have to issue a fine/defect notice/warning. It is up to their discretion as to how harsh or otherwise they are.
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                  • #10
                    QCOP also references the ADRs. Key wording is mounted at the front. Track lights or 4WD lights should be ok if covered by an opaque cover on the road but I would think if you fail the attitude test then nothing will save a defect notice.
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                    • #11
                      You might also find in VIC that you cant mount spotties on top of your bull bar where it pass's the bonnet line. It obstructs the drivers view and the light beam is right in the oncoming drivers line of sight.... But how many of these setup do we see.

                      There should be 1 rule for all states. no lights above the bonnet line

                      Its like the blue light issue.. its illegal, but the cop are too last to get on top of it so everyone takes a chance and get away
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by evltoy View Post
                        You might also find in VIC that you cant mount spotties on top of your bull bar where it pass's the bonnet line. It obstructs the drivers view and the light beam is right in the oncoming drivers line of sight.... But how many of these setup do we see.

                        There should be 1 rule for all states. no lights above the bonnet line
                        Yeah that is covered under a different ADR relating to 'protrusions' and isn't just restricted to lights on top of bull bars. It also relates to fishing rod holders, winches, etc. I think most people are aware this is a requirement, even though there are plenty of trucks out there (mine included!) that mount LED lights on top of the bar.

                        It's an ADR as well and is the same across Australia, not just in VIC.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by foxclan View Post
                          Was any discussion had about opaque covers for roof mounted lights, or isolating the circuit powering them. eg. off road use only?
                          Nup, didn't even think of mentioning covering at the time. The light is on a seperate circuit however, but he said the issue wasn't that it could be isolated but that it was mounted incorrectly - regardless of whether it was operating or not (it was the middle of the day when he got stopped).

                          The cop was pretty good all up. Had a decent chat as he mentioned he enjoyed touring as well. Reckoned he used to give warnings for the roof driving light issue but started defecting each one he saw a few years back when he kept seeing the same trucks pass by without fixing the issue, even after they had received warnings. I'd say it was a little bug-bear of his.
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                          • #14
                            With a cover over the light it's hard to even tell it's there. Looks almost like a wind deflector on the front of some roof racks.


                            This is the exact same type that I have on mine. Just did a search on eBay.
                            http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...d=221458663583


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JGD View Post
                              Yeah that is covered under a different ADR relating to 'protrusions' and isn't just restricted to lights on top of bull bars. It also relates to fishing rod holders, winches, etc. I think most people are aware this is a requirement, even though there are plenty of trucks out there (mine included!) that mount LED lights on top of the bar.

                              It's an ADR as well and is the same across Australia, not just in VIC.
                              In Vic you cant mount your HF Antenna on the bull bar because of driver vision as detailed in VicRoads Vehicle Standards information 29.

                              I had a Terlin multitap whip mounted on the bulbar of the Patrol above the left headlight.

                              The spring at the base was slightly more than 50mm so I had to remove it on the spot with no penalty.

                              This was about five years ago but now it is quite common to see GPS navigators in the middle of the windscreen directly in front of the driver.

                              And whilst I am venting, I really hate taxi drivers who take their distance glasses off and put their reading glasses on to read their MDT whilst doing 100k down the freeway in heavy traffic.

                              S.
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