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  • #16
    My dad's done it twice in a standard 120 series diesel - the only change is better tyres. There were two of them and they travel fairly light - a bit different to family of 5! From what I remember they got stuck once but not badly. He didn't have maxtrax, winch, etc - just a long handled shovel. Part of the trick is to make sure your tyre pressures are appropriate.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Rusty62 View Post
      Low range is not 100% needed but for inexperienced folk, having them slow down use 2nd low and remove the heat from the torque converter (if it's and auto) means safety. We met so many people coming the other way flying up the dunes as they wouldn't use low tyre pressure. The track was so chewed up by these people at time we straddled the ruts as the main tracks had the little bumps from high tyre pressure wheel spin.

      Slow down, enjoy the view and have a good time.

      Rusty.
      Would second that, the auto is very reluctant to drop down to 1st gear in high range if you are still moving. I learnt to drop it down manually to first on the tighter sand dunes and that was about the perfect gear for me rather than using low range.
      2009 120 GXL D4D, TJM Bull Bar, Winch, Safari Snorkel, ARB Lift, ARB Lockers, Black Widow Drawers

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      • #18
        If your 2003 still has the original springs they will have sagged to billio ie. lost height/clearance. $1500 or less should see you with a reasonable suspension kit of new shocks and a 2" lift. This will make the trip so much more pleasant and damage less likely as you can go over the dunes slower because you wont be pushing a wall of sand with the underside of the car. The "need" probably comes from the probable sad state of your present suspension if it has done over 40000-50000km. An aftermarket kit will be cheaper than replacing what you have. Read the 120 suspension threads on here. A top of the line kit may not be for you a reasonably priced kits are around. You will need to carry 1 jerry of fuel [18kg] and water for 4 for your 3-5 days- say60-80 l - 60-80kg...... it all adds up and puts strain on old worn out bits. Anything is doable but with kids in there your risk margins may be smaller. "Tight" and desert travel is not a good safety mix.

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        • #19
          Throwing in the towel and going the lift.

          Originally posted by 404pug View Post
          If your 2003 still has the original springs they will have sagged to billio ie. lost height/clearance. $1500 or less should see you with a reasonable suspension kit of new shocks and a 2" lift. This will make the trip so much more pleasant and damage less likely as you can go over the dunes slower because you wont be pushing a wall of sand with the underside of the car. The "need" probably comes from the probable sad state of your present suspension if it has done over 40000-50000km. An aftermarket kit will be cheaper than replacing what you have. Read the 120 suspension threads on here. A top of the line kit may not be for you a reasonably priced kits are around. You will need to carry 1 jerry of fuel [18kg] and water for 4 for your 3-5 days- say60-80 l - 60-80kg...... it all adds up and puts strain on old worn out bits. Anything is doable but with kids in there your risk margins may be smaller. "Tight" and desert travel is not a good safety mix.
          Thanks for advice, and confirming my fuel/water estimates. Suspension and shocks (the latter are Pedder, so I presume newer than 2003) seem fine. The car only has about 170K on the ODO.

          I stuck some boxes extending 6cm above my current roof rack, and the car fits. As am not hardcore, I have been persuaded by the "makes it easier" argument - I don't need the stress. I like to think I am tight-judicious, not tight-reckless, but guess everyone thinks that.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by 404pug View Post
            If your 2003 still has the original springs they will have sagged to billio ie. lost height/clearance. $1500 or less should see you with a reasonable suspension kit of new shocks and a 2" lift. This will make the trip so much more pleasant and damage less likely as you can go over the dunes slower because you wont be pushing a wall of sand with the underside of the car. The "need" probably comes from the probable sad state of your present suspension if it has done over 40000-50000km. An aftermarket kit will be cheaper than replacing what you have. Read the 120 suspension threads on here. A top of the line kit may not be for you a reasonably priced kits are around. You will need to carry 1 jerry of fuel [18kg] and water for 4 for your 3-5 days- say60-80 l - 60-80kg...... it all adds up and puts strain on old worn out bits. Anything is doable but with kids in there your risk margins may be smaller. "Tight" and desert travel is not a good safety mix.
            Each to their own but I would not take a jerry. The 120 Prado has awesome fuel tanks. Ours made it from Birdsville to Alice Springs; including play time on Big Red, detours on various tracks in the Simpson, up the old Ghan into the Geographical centre and Chambers Piller on the one fill. Not a lot left at Alice but enough and that was skipping the opportunity to take a sip at Mt Dare and a couple of communities on the way.
            2009 120 GXL D4D, TJM Bull Bar, Winch, Safari Snorkel, ARB Lift, ARB Lockers, Black Widow Drawers

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            • #21
              Decision. Medium Dobinsons and poly air bags in the rear

              OK. Thanks for advice. I have decided on:

              Dobinsons. Shocks and Medium springs c59-302 on the front. c59-327 on the rear with poly air bags so I can lift the back when it has water, fridge and rear battery and gear for 4 people, or when I am towing my camper trailer. I wonder (suspect) that a saggy rear might have contributed to us (or in particular, my wife) rolling our camper trailer on the Savannah Way in 2014. I get those 180 degree treg hitches now!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by BarneyMaroon View Post
                I stuck some boxes extending 6cm above my current roof rack, and the car fits. As am not hardcore, I have been persuaded by the "makes it easier" argument - I don't need the stress. I like to think I am tight-judicious, not tight-reckless, but guess everyone thinks that.
                Depends how sagged your current suspension is. Say if you are already sagged 1", adding a 2" lift will bring you up 3" which is 7.5cm, which would be over the height of your garage/carport.

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                • #23
                  Thanks for the pick up amts, but I think my springs are in good nick. The sag I referred in my prior post was due to an offroad camper trailer with a spare spare and a Weber mounted on the draw bar.

                  I have little sag in my current suspension according to the data base.

                  Current: 740mm front and 760mm full tanks rear.

                  Data base:
                  Front: standard with steel bar= 745 mm(ARB Bar). So a 5mm sag.

                  Rear: arrow: standard= 755 mm - 775 mm near full tanks. So could be a 10-15mm sag.

                  I am told the lifts are not generally 50mm at the front either.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BarneyMaroon View Post
                    I am told the lifts are not generally 50mm at the front either.
                    Yes, about 40-50mm is the guideline.

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                    • #25
                      Gutsy

                      Originally posted by Mule View Post
                      Each to their own but I would not take a jerry. The 120 Prado has awesome fuel tanks. Ours made it from Birdsville to Alice Springs; including play time on Big Red, detours on various tracks in the Simpson, up the old Ghan into the Geographical centre and Chambers Piller on the one fill. Not a lot left at Alice but enough and that was skipping the opportunity to take a sip at Mt Dare and a couple of communities on the way.
                      My gauge is crap (can say zero when 90 litres left occasionally), I can't imagine having enough courage to head for Alice on a low fraction of a tank.

                      As for spare fuel, i'd feel like such a d*** running out!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by BarneyMaroon View Post
                        My gauge is crap (can say zero when 90 litres left occasionally), I can't imagine having enough courage to head for Alice on a low fraction of a tank.

                        As for spare fuel, i'd feel like such a d*** running out!
                        Fair enough.

                        I would have happily filled up at Mt Dare had it not been for a very generous person in my group. They would let me use one of their jerry cans in the event that I could not make Alice on my own. The benefit being that I could save some money with the high price of fuel at Mt Dare. I use this anecdote only to emphasise the point that there is more than enough in the tank to get from Birdsville to Mt Dare or vice versa without the need for a jerry.

                        If you want to go all the way to or from Alice and not fill up at Mt Dare then you will either run out, or stress about running out or take a jerry.
                        2009 120 GXL D4D, TJM Bull Bar, Winch, Safari Snorkel, ARB Lift, ARB Lockers, Black Widow Drawers

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                        • #27
                          Tick

                          I did 620 km from Mt Dare to Birdsville (French-WAA-Erabena Track-French) with a 56km sojourn up the WAA line and back when we discovered it was closed by water before Knolls. 134 litres. So 21.6 litres/100km (Petrol 4L). The sand had received a lot of rain so was firm and easy to drive on.

                          New lift/suspension worked fine, but the Prado 150 with us had its Old Man Emu shocks (60000km on them) fail on the first day.

                          Cars were stuck in Mt Dare for 5 days waiting out the rains a week before we arrived apparently. It was a mudpit.

                          What a drive!

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by BarneyMaroon View Post
                            I did 620 km from Mt Dare to Birdsville (French-WAA-Erabena Track-French) with a 56km sojourn up the WAA line and back when we discovered it was closed by water before Knolls. 134 litres. So 21.6 litres/100km (Petrol 4L). The sand had received a lot of rain so was firm and easy to drive on.

                            New lift/suspension worked fine, but the Prado 150 with us had its Old Man Emu shocks (60000km on them) fail on the first day.

                            Cars were stuck in Mt Dare for 5 days waiting out the rains a week before we arrived apparently. It was a mudpit.

                            What a drive!

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                            • #29
                              Got me MDS69 with your link
                              bricat
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                              Last edited by bricat; 22-07-2016, 02:11 AM. Reason: Spelling
                              Cheers Brian. 2006 Grande D4D

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                              • #30
                                You want pics, how about my 16 year old daughter after climbing Big Red.

                                08 VX D4D, Lift, Safari Snorkle, Trailblazer Fridge, Custom Storeage System, BFG, ARB Safari Bar, Wife, Kids, Codan NGT HF Radio, Debt.
                                06 100 Series Sahara, Bilteins, Kings, Beaudesert 3", Diff drop, Unichip Q4, Safari Intercooler, EGR delete, 20ft Bushtracker, Codan Envoy more coming.
                                Sometimes i wake up Grumpy, most times i leave her sleep.

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