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  • #16
    Originally posted by 120D4D View Post
    Is this a common issue for those running billies MarK?

    You don't mention OME at all - is this less of an issue with the ARB struts and why?
    Hey,

    It's an issue for all struts.

    All of the dynamic load in the IFS ends up cycling through the bottom strut bush, and we're simply asking the bush materials to cope with Forces beyond their elastic limits.

    I've seen every bush material type flogged to bits, had the yellows regularly crumble apart in my hands.

    Cycling tests on the new synthetic elastomers suggest they'll last considerably longer, but of course promising bench top cycling tests cannot compare to real off road testing. This is why threads like this are important, real world feedback.

    All that can be done is to try and make the bush materials better, more supple for synthetic rubbers, better resistance to torsional forces for urethanes, etc.

    No material will ever be perfect acting as a bush in the bottom of a strut.

    The synthetic elastomers have already been very beneficial to one Pradopoint members bilsteins which had gone through many bushes in short periods. His problems were so bad he got stuck in Tasmania and couldn't drive his Prado, he had to buy new struts to get home to Queensland. He's on deployment at the moment, but I'm sure he'll come and comment on the thread when he returns. He has done over 10,000km hassle free on the synthetic elastomers so far.

    Hope this answers your question!

    Best

    Mark
    2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Boyce View Post
      The bushes on my new Bilsteins lasted less than 25000 ks when I had the suspension upgrade. I provided Bilstein with feedback and got replacement costs reimbursed.
      Hey,

      The flogged Bilstein bushes from Gumboot in the last photo managed 40,000km, so yours must have really copped it, any photos?

      Best

      Mark
      2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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      • #18
        Hi Mark, no photos as that was a couple of years ago after a trip to the Kimberley towing a KK camper trailer. Prior to the trip the upgraded suspension was new. I was pretty surprised when I looked under the car in Broome (Melb to Broome) and saw that the bushes were in poor condition. I'm careful with tyre pressures and don't drive too fast, plus we left the camper behind on the treck to Mitchell Falls, the most heavily corrugated track we drove on. When I got back to Melb I contacted Bilstein to say I was not to happy and they came to the party. Next replacement I will talk to your Fulcrum mates. Sounds like a good product. Cheers!
        2004 Silver GX 4spd auto 3.0 T/D, Safari snorkel, dual batteries (Piranha), Bilstein suspension upgrade & lift, ARB winch-bar, diff breathers, GXL steel wheels and 245X17 Cooper AT3s, Autosafe cargo barrier, Kulkyne side awning & Oztent, Toyota 3 bar rack, Maxtrax, other ARB & TJM recovery gear, Engel and Waeco fridges, Towpro, GME uhf, AMTS recovery points, Tvan

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Boyce View Post
          Hi Mark, no photos as that was a couple of years ago after a trip to the Kimberley towing a KK camper trailer. Prior to the trip the upgraded suspension was new. I was pretty surprised when I looked under the car in Broome (Melb to Broome) and saw that the bushes were in poor condition. I'm careful with tyre pressures and don't drive too fast, plus we left the camper behind on the treck to Mitchell Falls, the most heavily corrugated track we drove on. When I got back to Melb I contacted Bilstein to say I was not to happy and they came to the party. Next replacement I will talk to your Fulcrum mates. Sounds like a good product. Cheers!
          Hey Boyce,

          Yeah it's pretty ordinary that they don't last so many km's, but thankfully you still managed to get your Kimberley trip done!

          Best

          Mark
          2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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          • #20
            Hey all,

            I think the worst case scenario for these Bilstein bushes is a cracked ring eye, see post #774 here;

            http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...nde-MLC/page65

            The crush tube becomes unbonded with the rubber, allowing the strut ring eye to contact the lower arm, metal on metal ensues, and the weakest part of the ring eye gives way through the welded section where all of the microstructure has been annealed out by the weld.

            If you can hear squeaks/noises from your front end, check your strut bushes!

            Best

            Mark
            2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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            • #21
              So I take it this Bilstein bush would be considered flogged out?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Rainman View Post
                So I take it this Bilstein bush would be considered flogged out?
                Hey,

                Yep, they are munted, crush tube is unbonded and has displaced well off centre. Time for a refresh down there!

                Best

                Mark
                2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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                • #23
                  My OME bushes were fine after 90,000 km of some of the worse roads in the country [as were the front shocks themselves.]

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by 404pug View Post
                    My OME bushes were fine after 90,000 km of some of the worse roads in the country [as were the front shocks themselves.]
                    Hey,

                    Good stuff! Glad to hear some good km's! Any chance you have photos of them after the 90,000km?? Were these urethane or rubber?

                    Best

                    Mark
                    2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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                    • #25
                      Hey everyone,

                      There is a group buy running right now on these bushes, some buyers have told me it's not so easy to find down in the Group Buys thread, so I'm putting a link to it here;

                      http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...s-from-Fulcrum

                      Currently I have 4/10 buyers, happy shopping!

                      Best

                      Mark
                      2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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                      • #26
                        Hey all,

                        Now at 5/10, halfway!

                        Best

                        Mark
                        2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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                        • #27


                          how do mine look to you guys? had the billies installed around cup day last year I think and only done somewhere between 20-40,000km on it. Im interested in those new bushes too
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Wtrxprs007 View Post
                            how do mine look to you guys? had the billies installed around cup day last year I think and only done somewhere between 20-40,000km on it. Im interested in those new bushes too
                            Hey,

                            It's a bit hard to tell from that photo, any chance you can take one from the top so more of the bush can be seen?

                            Best

                            Mark
                            2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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                            • #29
                              Hey all,

                              Now at 6/10 for the Group Buy!

                              Best

                              Mark
                              2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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                              • #30
                                Hey all,

                                This weekend is the last chance to get in on the Group Buy, still at 6/10.

                                Best

                                Mark
                                2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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