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  1. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Phs View Post
    Spoke with superior engineering today they have a kit to suit KDSS and Kakadu rear ended
    Profender / airbag man combo. Remote res shocks adjustable ect. Full kit 3400 supply only
    Also still retain the factory rear adjustment.

    They have had great success and good feedback on the kit also mentioned the KDSS re adjustment is easy to do but will need to be done there recommended an installer local to me in Melbourne so happy so far

    Emailed caloffroad last week still no reply after they do I'll post up
    Hey Phill,

    It can be daunting at 1st but KDSS is nothing to fear. I've got a new Kakadu with the Dobinsons MRR Gear. Can't fault it! (Accept remote reservoir locations are tight)

    The ride is amazing, I've done alot of reading on shocks and the way they work. Clearly a Monotube Remote Reservoir is the way to go. More oil less fade to put simply. Thicker sidewalls and bigger bores.

    Don't let KDSS scare you. It's the simplest of hydraulic systems. Google kdss and read how it works. It's a automated yet mechanical in operation sway bar. You have to bleed screws under side of car located at passenger front seat. These need to be loosened upon fitment and then car needs to sit on level ground for 15 mins. Tighten bleeds back up done.

    The only difference in a KDSS Kakadu suspension kit to a non KDSS is the length of the front springs. One is 5mm longer than the other to compensate for the lean. If you measure your std springs you will find this also.

    Dobinsons Dandenong fitted my gear. I believe the MRR kit is 2100 plus 400 fit plus 1000 airbag man raised bags.

    Hope this helps.

    Cheers Slips

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    Thanks mate I'll give them a call

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipperyskakadu View Post
    Hey Phill,

    It can be daunting at 1st but KDSS is nothing to fear. I've got a new Kakadu with the Dobinsons MRR Gear. Can't fault it! (Accept remote reservoir locations are tight)

    The ride is amazing, I've done alot of reading on shocks and the way they work. Clearly a Monotube Remote Reservoir is the way to go. More oil less fade to put simply. Thicker sidewalls and bigger bores.

    Don't let KDSS scare you. It's the simplest of hydraulic systems. Google kdss and read how it works. It's a automated yet mechanical in operation sway bar. You have to bleed screws under side of car located at passenger front seat. These need to be loosened upon fitment and then car needs to sit on level ground for 15 mins. Tighten bleeds back up done.

    The only difference in a KDSS Kakadu suspension kit to a non KDSS is the length of the front springs. One is 5mm longer than the other to compensate for the lean. If you measure your std springs you will find this also.

    Dobinsons Dandenong fitted my gear. I believe the MRR kit is 2100 plus 400 fit plus 1000 airbag man raised bags.

    Hope this helps.

    Cheers Slips

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    Hey Slippery,

    Great discussion!

    Could you post up the specs of your setup, coil rates, free heights, MRR closed/open lengths etc.

    How much longer are the raised airbag man bags you have compared to OEM maxed out length? Any extra brackets/locators etc. required compared to OEM?

    Be interesting to know what open length rear shock you're running?

    ...it also has me thinking about that front kdss lean...if you end up putting in different length coils, the final coil working height will be different from side to side to achieve the same ride height (so one side will always feel slightly stiffer on bumps due to the higher preload on one side). A simpler setup might be to incorporate coilover sleeves like I did with my D563's and use same free length coils. You will end up with same effect, different preload from side to side to level out the ride height, but then you can use a multitude of same length free height coils of differing rates, and you can dial your front ride height into the mm. Much more flexible setup than having to always buy a limited set of kdss coils. You can read about my D563 setup here;

    http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...ut-combination

    Be good to hear what you think about the MRR valving, which is a complete unknown to everyone, regardless if GXL or Kakadu.

    How has your front leveled out, what are your ride heights?

    Best

    Mark
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    Mark,

    There are a few on here including myself that are running the MRR.
    A few of them i have been out on trips with and we all have the same opinion.
    It is great gear, and as far as valving goes mine is great in all conditions. TD Auto GXL
    The biggest surprise was the first time towing with it Poptop caravan around 120 - 130 KG tow ball weight 327 springs in the rear.
    It was a completely different experience in a positive way. Hardly noticed I was towing.

    Fred

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    Hey Fred,

    Good to hear you're enjoying the MRR's, I'm sure they drive great, photoprado has told me he's enjoying his setup!

    ...I should have been more clear with my thoughts, I was thinking about actual rebound and compression numbers for the MRR's being completely unknown.

    Dobinsons are on the reclusive side when it comes to valving figures, so hopefully someone in Brissy can loan me one of their MRR's for a day and I'll get it up on the dyno!

    Best

    Mark
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitey View Post
    Hey Fred,

    Good to hear you're enjoying the MRR's, I'm sure they drive great, photoprado has told me he's enjoying his setup!

    ...I should have been more clear with my thoughts, I was thinking about actual rebound and compression numbers for the MRR's being completely unknown.

    Dobinsons are on the reclusive side when it comes to valving figures, so hopefully someone in Brissy can loan me one of their MRR's for a day and I'll get it up on the dyno!

    Best

    Mark
    Mark

    My understanding when talking to them was the valving is setup to match the springs you get.
    If this is the case it would be hard to quote actual numbers unless you know the spring rate they are matched to.
    i may have misunderstood when we were discussing the setup options and valving.

    Fred

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    My understanding when talking to them was the valving is setup to match the springs you get.
    If this is the case it would be hard to quote actual numbers unless you know the spring rate they are matched to.

    Hey don't believe that for a second. If that was true they would have approx 14 different MRRs for 150 Prado's alone.
    You can only buy one front & one rear MRR..
    They may revalve them at your request & cost
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    i have the cal offroad 2" lift fox setup in my kakadu, the front struts are from a tundra but cal dont want you to know that because they black out all the numbers and even remove the airbag man kit from its box and edit the instructions so they dont get a mention. they can be very hard to get on the phone and depending on the person not much help but the end result is a prado that rides 1000 times better than the stock setup. moral of the story is find a good installer thats played with Kakadus and other Kdss equipped prados before and you shouldn't need to talk to them after the gear arrives.

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    ^ very interesting. DO you still have the in cabin Rear height adjustment ?

    I am researching now for our 2016 Kak and want something that's going to preform
    I Am waiting till people go back to work so I can get some deatails on the Icon setup
    I tried Cal off-road months ago they never got back to me with a price or set up
    ARB said they can do a kit
    So do Superiour Engineering
    And dobinsons as stated above

    What was your total cost Richo ?
    Last edited by Phs; 02-01-2017 at 08:58 AM.

  10. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Phs View Post
    ^ very interesting. DO you still have the in cabin Rear height adjustment ?

    I am researching now for our 2016 Kak and want something that's going to preform
    I Am waiting till people go back to work so I can get some deatails on the Icon setup
    I tried Cal off-road months ago they never got back to me with a price or set up
    ARB said they can do a kit
    So do Superiour Engineering
    And dobinsons as stated above

    What was your total cost Richo ?
    ARB wont touch a Kakadu unless this has changed in the last two months. I'm very happy with the Dobinsons MRR gear. The ride is superb! Yes height controls remain... The Dobinsons after sales support is shit hot too !



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    ^ ARB Healesville said 2" is ok through them. They were going to use airbag man in the rear

    Have you got a photo of your Kakadu with the dobinsons lift ?
    What is it's off road articulation like, the stock standard setup is great just need more clearance, just a little worried the bigger bags will hinder the articulation

    I'll definetly give dobinsons dandy a call

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phs View Post
    ^ ARB Healesville said 2" is ok through them. They were going to use airbag man in the rear

    Have you got a photo of your Kakadu with the dobinsons lift ?
    What is it's off road articulation like, the stock standard setup is great just need more clearance, just a little worried the bigger bags will hinder the articulation

    I'll definetly give dobinsons dandy a call
    If you can get the BP 51s installed then go for it. They're as good as the fox and dobo's l, I tried 4 different ARB's in 3 different states and no one would touch it. How ever the healsville guy is a ARB authorised agent if I'm correct ? A little different from the company owned stores. The agents can really do what ever they like.

    I'm not running air bag mans. I'm running std bags with sensors tricked. Opposite lock was meant to fit them at the same time as draws but ordered wrong bags. However the ride compared to stock is phenomenal. I had TJM XGS gear in for roughly 4000kms on a trip and then changed to dobo's. They just dont fade. The on road ride up the highway with 33" muddies on is unreal. Off road performance articulation is great. Be happy to show you the gear if you like. I'm undecided on airbags. You still need to trick them for height, I'll probably do them one day this year...

    Only thing with remote reservoir is where to put it. My have copped minimal rubbing. I've yet had the time to relocate.

    Dobinsons dandy said bring it back and they'll see where they can put them but I haven't had time to spend the day in dandy.

    Anyway hope some of this helps you.

    Cheers

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