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  • #91
    CamJam - Me too, I flat out said to them I refuse to buy a current model car until these issues are fixed. He agreed with me and also mentioned he was steering clear of the current models too due to the same problems.

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    • #92
      I'm keen to be able to monitor the DPF and burn temps etc. I have seen the OBD transmitters, and also that you need to know the right codes to get the read out from certain sensors.

      Can anyone advise if I can use a wifi OBD transmitter and iPhone app to get to the data/create a display I can monitor while driving? Any tips on which app might work best?

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      • #93
        I don't use any Apple stuff (I find it far too restrictive) so unfortunately I can be no help re the iphone question. Will an iphone work with bluetooth or does it have to be wifi? as I bought an "OBD2 Mini ELM327 V2.1 Bluetooth Car Scanner" for the princely sum of £3.90 including delivery from ebay when I was in the UK. This works fine with torque pro running on my replacement Chinese head unit.
        There are four exhaust temperature sensors shown, three of them work, I think the DPF is bank 1 sensor 2 but it is all in this thread including how to add the % clogging gauge which I am sure you have read: http://www.pradopoint.com.au/showthr...with-OBD-tools
        It is a shame the PM or email system doesn't work as your location is shown as Perth, you are welcome to have a look at my set up if it would help.

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        • #94
          I have monitored the first burn since my reprogram, I was looking for differences but I am now more confused.
          Despite the % appearing to increase more quickly the burn still happened after around 300 Km travelling on a freeway at 100 Km/hr. Unfortunately I had to turn off into city traffic which was a shame as I had been told that the burn characteristics had been changed for relatively high speed driving.
          Temperature at 100 km/hr was around 630 which increased a bit when stationary in traffic. Once I had reached my destination the % was down to 10, the distance covered for this with stop start driving was only 25 Km, lower than I expected. I decided to leave the engine running at 1200 rpm, the temp increased to around 730 and the % continued to fall until 8% when the revs dropped to 650.
          Usually I have been driving when the % figure gets to 8 or 6 then the temperature drops rapidly and the % increases. This time with the engine on normal slow tick over the temperature did not drop so I left it running and watched as the % continued to fall to 2. Only then did the temperature seem to slowly decrease. By this time I was bored and my wife annoyed so I switched off and got on with life!
          JohnLynn
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          Last edited by JohnLynn; 17-12-2017, 03:46 PM.

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          • #95
            Thanks John, I missed that other thread. Were lining up for a year around Oz, so I'm pretty keen to know what we might be in for if the dread white smoke starts following us around. Having the ability to initiate a burn will be invaluable.

            I've ordered a wifi dongle because apparently Apple speaks bluetooth with a lisp so has trouble talking to the bluetooth dongles.

            Were off over xmas but might be in touch after that - both because I'm keen to see your head unit (we've similar opinions on the satnav from the thread on that) and to see how you've implemented the DPF stuff.

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            • #96
              http://www.liqui-moly.com.au/product...nti-clog-2729/

              Interesting to see if this is worth a shot once a month

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              • #97
                Whilte smoke while DPF is burning

                Originally posted by cuda View Post
                Casualty number one for Prado DPF. Prado was doing a DPF burn today and I take off from the lights only to see a large plume of white smoke in my rear mirror. Cars only done 22000km and notice DPF temp wont go past 600deg while driving. In for inspection Monday morning .Will keep everyone updated.
                Hi, my GXL (built June 17) blew a lot of smoke when I drove off at a traffic light while the car was doing a dpf burn. The car only travelled 9700km at that time.

                I monitored it ever since and currently at 10650km, it didn't happen again. I talked to the dealer while the car was in for 6 month service, they kept telling me it's normal.

                In April next year I'll have a long trip from Sydney to Uluru, I'm a little concerned with what might happen. Any advice? Thanks

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by sia535 View Post
                  Hi, my GXL (built June 17) blew a lot of smoke when I drove off at a traffic light while the car was doing a dpf burn. The car only travelled 9700km at that time.

                  I monitored it ever since and currently at 10650km, it didn't happen again. I talked to the dealer while the car was in for 6 month service, they kept telling me it's normal.

                  In April next year I'll have a long trip from Sydney to Uluru, I'm a little concerned with what might happen. Any advice? Thanks
                  Not normal !!! Betting the 5th injector is blocked. Request they pull apart the injector housing and check its not blocked. If you have a OBDII monitor you should keep an eye on the DPF temp when its burning.
                  2018 150 Series Crystal Pearl Prado VX 2.8l. 2 inch King springs and Bilstein shocks, Airtek TJM snorkel.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by cuda View Post
                    Not normal !!! Betting the 5th injector is blocked. Request they pull apart the injector housing and check its not blocked. If you have a OBDII monitor you should keep an eye on the DPF temp when its burning.
                    Never expected a 6 month/10000km car would have issues like this. Is this just one-off or the start of the inevitable failure?

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                    • Originally posted by sia535 View Post
                      Never expected a 6 month/10000km car would have issues like this. Is this just one-off or the start of the inevitable failure?
                      Have you contacted Toyota about the issue? and can you as Cuda suggests monitor the DPF temperature?
                      I know that you should not need to do this and certainly wouldn't expect a new car to have a problem like this so I would think that the more Toyota are made aware of issues the more likely they are to do something about it.
                      I have been monitoring my DPF regens since the ECU update and must admit that I haven't noticed any difference whatsoever in distance between regens or length of time completing or temperature or anything at all. I would love to know what this "upgrade" was supposed to do. Does anyone know?
                      JohnLynn
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                      Last edited by JohnLynn; 02-01-2018, 10:25 AM.

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                      • Update to my case:
                        Vehicle is now blowing white smoke virtually on a daily basis, whereas before it was a lot less regular. We’re now booked in to get DPF replacement at Mandurah Toyota on Tuesday. Wonder if the 5th injector May also be part of the problem..

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                        • Originally posted by JohnLynn View Post
                          Have you contacted Toyota about the issue? and can you as Cuda suggests monitor the DPF temperature?
                          I know that you should not need to do this and certainly wouldn't expect a new car to have a problem like this so I would think that the more Toyota are made aware of issues the more likely they are to do something about it.
                          I have been monitoring my DPF regens since the ECU update and must admit that I haven't noticed any difference whatsoever in distance between regens or length of time completing or temperature or anything at all. I would love to know what this "upgrade" was supposed to do. Does anyone know?
                          I did mention to the dealer while my car was serviced but they don't seem interested in hearing what I say. My car has traveled 1900km since the first white smoke and I haven't seen any so far. I'll keep monitoring how the car goes... Thanks

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                          • Since my 5th injector was cleaned my temp increased but only initially. Already I am having issues maintaining +500 deg if cruising at 100km/h at low RPM. Only way to get temp to rise is to run the engine at +2400rpm. I have told Toyota and they are stumped. Have told me to continue to drive while Toyota investigate and have a robust solution that will resolve the issue once and for all.
                            2018 150 Series Crystal Pearl Prado VX 2.8l. 2 inch King springs and Bilstein shocks, Airtek TJM snorkel.

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                            • Originally posted by cuda View Post
                              Since my 5th injector was cleaned my temp increased but only initially. Already I am having issues maintaining +500 deg if cruising at 100km/h at low RPM. Only way to get temp to rise is to run the engine at +2400rpm. I have told Toyota and they are stumped. Have told me to continue to drive while Toyota investigate and have a robust solution that will resolve the issue once and for all.
                              If you have problems maintaining certain degree on highway does it mean you're not having proper DPF cleaning (passive one)? Hence you would have your warning light on or DPF is doing Re-gens a lot while you're off the highway? I've driven to Newcastle and back twice on Monday and Wednesday, the car hasn't done a Re-gen for quite a while (over 900km), is this normal? I have no idea what the car is doing...

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                              • Unless you are as obsessed with the issue as much as me and/or have the advantage of torque pro on an android head unit or scan gauge I cant see how you can know when a regen is taking place during normal driving. It is different if you are stationary but even then an auto only increases tick over to 900 not the 1200 rpm on a manual. I presume this is because you would waste so much energy heating the transmission oil if you sat at the lights in drive?
                                My feelings are that our DPFs don't do any passive regeneration just a forced one, in my case usually every 300 but I have seen 400 Km. I could easily be wrong !!!
                                Anyway there is an interesting thread on the Fortuner forum called "the great DPF myth" where someone with a lot more knowledge than me has confirmed my observation that since the ECU reprogram the % increases quickly then can fall back without the DPF temperature appearing to increase. I have noticed this twice now and began to question my findings so I would be very keen to hear of other's experience. Is this different behaviour where the ECU re-evaluates the supposed % clogging half way through a cycle?

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