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  • #16
    Hi ####,

    I'll shoot my number over to your email, but either way I'm not going to touch it until I let them
    Try and rectify it.

    Hi Amts,

    I have callipers here so I can measure spring thickness are they suppose to be different ?
    I checked the invoice they wrote the correct product code next to each L and R front

    The installers will hopefully call me back Monday

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    • #17
      The BP51 gear isn't made for the Kakadu... I was going to put it in mine but ARB would not do it.

      I find with mine that they lean a bit and once you drive they straighten up... if yours I leaning that much I reckon u have GXL Springs..

      When I broke my dobo Springs they sent out GXL Springs at 1st. We put those in to get home and the lean was terrible. Once the KDSS Springs went in. No issues...

      You could bleed it your self. KDSS is nothing to be scared of. It's just hydraulic sway bars.

      If your lean is 50mm then I reckon the springs are wrong



      Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Phs View Post
        Hi ####,

        I'll shoot my number over to your email, but either way I'm not going to touch it until I let them
        Try and rectify it.

        Hi Amts,

        I have callipers here so I can measure spring thickness are they suppose to be different ?
        I checked the invoice they wrote the correct product code next to each L and R front

        The installers will hopefully call me back Monday
        The coils will be same thickness.
        One will be 5 or 10mm longer free height.

        That's ok leave it to them, just thought you might want to spend 10 mins & try it & maybe learn something they don't know lol..... But it might not work lol.....

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        • #19
          The wire diameter can be the same. If the number of coils is also the same, then the only variation left is the free length.

          If the wire diameter is different, then it changes the stiffness. So will different number of coils.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Anth120playdo View Post
            The coils will be same thickness.
            One will be 5 or 10mm longer free height.

            That's ok leave it to them, just thought you might want to spend 10 mins & try it & maybe learn something they don't know lol..... But it might not work lol.....
            Alway keen for information, just did not want to try anything prior giving them a chance as the Finger pointing game may start

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            • #21
              Originally posted by slipperyskakadu View Post
              The BP51 gear isn't made for the Kakadu... I was going to put it in mine but ARB would not do it.

              I find with mine that they lean a bit and once you drive they straighten up... if yours I leaning that much I reckon u have GXL Springs..

              When I broke my dobo Springs they sent out GXL Springs at 1st. We put those in to get home and the lean was terrible. Once the KDSS Springs went in. No issues...

              You could bleed it your self. KDSS is nothing to be scared of. It's just hydraulic sway bars.

              If your lean is 50mm then I reckon the springs are wrong



              Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk


              ARB won't do a lot of jobs and they only do there gear, all there work has To be tested ect. all the BP51 kits have car specific mounts for the remote res canisters, not just see where it fits.
              They do not make a replacement 2" airbag kit for the rear, airbag man do, They probably weighed up there prospective market vs. time and money to have it all tested ect.

              The front is the same as the VX it's just KDSS, part numbers a different there are alot of KDSS Prados with OME gear And they make a KDSS bp51 Kit

              GXL fronts are

              BP5190002R
              BP5190002L

              KDSS fronts are

              BP5190002R
              BP5190004L ( Left is KDSS specific )

              Also they are hight adjustable as well so L to R hight TuneIng is not an issue

              From what I was told today by the guy who can fix KDSS lean incorrect bleeding can result in the valve dropping in and becoming stuck which can cost $$$$ to replace
              Phs
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              Last edited by Phs; 07-05-2017, 06:50 AM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by amts View Post
                The wire diameter can be the same. If the number of coils is also the same, then the only variation left is the free length.

                If the wire diameter is different, then it changes the stiffness. So will different number of coils.
                I'll jump under tomorrow and have a good look

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                • #23
                  Very interesting looking at the old front struts the spring lengths are indentical so is the coil thickness
                  From the strut top plate to the longest part of the spring they both measure 345mm long. And cool thickness is 22mm
                  The only thing that is different is the colour marking on coils

                  One has a green and red mark the other a pink and blue

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Phs View Post
                    Very interesting looking at the old front struts the spring lengths are indentical so is the coil thickness
                    From the strut top plate to the longest part of the spring they both measure 345mm long. And cool thickness is 22mm
                    The only thing that is different is the colour marking on coils

                    One has a green and red mark the other a pink and blue
                    Hey,

                    I have in my old notes for Dec2010 build Kakadu front coils, DS = double purple, PS = double brown.

                    22mm seems a bit large for coil diameter, see all the OEM coil dimensions here;

                    http://www.pradopoint.com.au/showthr...a-4wd-vehicles

                    Your findings suggest there are at least two different OEM coil specs for KDSS.

                    I think part of the problem with the KDSS lean is the original OEM KDSS coils have not been load-deflection tested, or at least knowledge of these coil rates and free heights is not widely known and may be the cause of some after market KDSS coils being inappropriate.

                    As the ARB factory is in Melbourne, you should ask ARB to do a load-deflection test on your green/red and pink/blue coils. Then do the same for the ARB coils and let's see how different they are. King Springs do load-deflection coil tests for $5/coil, so it's not big bucks.

                    Doing this might help clarify how much of the notorious KDSS lean in lifted geometry is because of inappropriate after market coil rates/free heights and/or lack of fluid movement in the KDSS system itself.

                    Best

                    Mark
                    2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Phs View Post
                      Very interesting looking at the old front struts the spring lengths are indentical so is the coil thickness
                      If the coil is still assembled in the shock (thus making a strut assembly), then the length will be exactly the same.

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                      • #26
                        Ok

                        Thanks Amts so they are different once the spring has no pre load

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Phs View Post
                          Ok

                          Thanks Amts so they are different once the spring has no pre load
                          Correct. The shock is "assumed" to have identical open and closed lengths both sides. The free length of the coil should vary for KDSS applications.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Whitey View Post
                            Hey,

                            I have in my old notes for Dec2010 build Kakadu front coils, DS = double purple, PS = double brown.

                            22mm seems a bit large for coil diameter, see all the OEM coil dimensions here;

                            http://www.pradopoint.com.au/showthr...a-4wd-vehicles

                            Your findings suggest there are at least two different OEM coil specs for KDSS.

                            I think part of the problem with the KDSS lean is the original OEM KDSS coils have not been load-deflection tested, or at least knowledge of these coil rates and free heights is not widely known and may be the cause of some after market KDSS coils being inappropriate.

                            As the ARB factory is in Melbourne, you should ask ARB to do a load-deflection test on your green/red and pink/blue coils. Then do the same for the ARB coils and let's see how different they are. King Springs do load-deflection coil tests for $5/coil, so it's not big bucks.

                            Doing this might help clarify how much of the notorious KDSS lean in lifted geometry is because of inappropriate after market coil rates/free heights and/or lack of fluid movement in the KDSS system itself.

                            Best

                            Mark
                            Hi Mark,

                            Your right 22mm seems big now you mention it, I checked them again I was reading the 1 mark on the calipers, the coils are 17mm.

                            Car is back with them at the moment still waiting to hear what is going on

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Phs View Post
                              I purchased a few spare Kakadu rims from a gentleman a while back that mentioned his KDSS lean His installers attempted 3 times to fix it with no luck
                              He did get it fixed somewhere els.

                              Lucky I remembered the company and managed to get onto them today, they said they can fix it and have fixed plenty of them even for Toyota and suspension manufactures, 2 week wait thow.
                              Do you mind saying who that company was?

                              My lean went haywire some time back (almost a year ago I think) after a high country trip and I went back to the dealer to bleed the system. They got it back to 20mm lean in the end, said that was the best they could do & within factory spec. They did send off a report to Toyota but I never heard any more after that.

                              I have a 2" lift with Dobinsons coils on the factory TEMS shocks but the shocks have 80,000kms on them now and it might be time for a change. Not sure what I can replace them with but I know I will lose the in-cabin adjustments to the valving offered by the factory shocks.

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                              • #30
                                Statewide 4x4 keilor. They can fix lean and also offer lifts for the Kakadu
                                I have my car booked in for later this month

                                Thow the installers made some good ground today very happy and close but I'll still have statewide see if they can get it perfect

                                They had dramas trying to get the rear any higher so I'll have to see how the headlights go
                                It now Handles very well and has a very good ride on the road


                                FR 805 FL 800 down 5mm drivers side
                                RR 825 RL 813 down 12mm drivers side

                                Fairly close to my factory lean they actually had the rear a few mm better on there floor which may be some what more level than my garage

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