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Last edited by Snouto; 07-11-2017, 07:52 PM.
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Originally posted by Snouto View PostThat lines up with what I was told for the GXL - the dealer apparently discounted the on-roads and offered me the $62990 flat (before I haggle for more). Will be interesting if others experience the same.
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So why do they only offer the auto with 3T towing and the manual is still 2.5T considering I've read quite a bit about the auto overheating when towing 2.5T, surely the manual box is up for another 500Kg considering all else is the same. Mind you I'm towing 2.5T with a 2014 3L and it struggles on the hills , not sure I'd even want to tow 3T
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I only chose to highlight the fact that Toyota use the Euro 5 engine for Australia, I presume that the Euro 6 version which has been sold in Europe for three years is a more modern engine. Possibly better, who knows? You are right though about the possible demise of the diesel, there is much controversy in the UK at present as a few years ago diesels were thought to be the answer to the problem of CO2 emissions as they are more efficient than petrol. Consequently the government encouraged diesel sales. Unfortunately now that NO2 and particulates are regarded as a heath risk we have the opposite happening with many fed up owners of modern diesels.
Not all Euro 6 car engines use adblue, my wife has a 2014 Audi A3 2.0 litre diesel which doesn't and as far as I am aware the DPF is situated close enough to the engine to be hot enough to regenerate passively.
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I'm not sure where you get your conspiracy theories from.... Toyota sells Australia "old" low tech engines.
Just checked Toyota europe and the Diesel engine you can buy over there is the 2.8l d4d. It didn't have the engine code but I'm pretty sure it's the exact same engine we buy over here.
Not sure how they comply with euro6 standards but my guess would be adblu since their dpf doesn't currently meet that standard over here.
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Yes you are right, I have looked at the UK Toyota website and under the banner "Toyota loves a cleaner world" (except Australia (that was a joke)) it says "Our latest Euro 6 diesel engines fitted in the Hilux, Land Cruiser and Proace models, all use adblue"
I wrongly assumed that they had a more modern engine to comply with Euro 6 but it looks like they have just fitted an adblue tank and SCR.
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I hope the new model doesn't have SCR/AdBlue, and I don't think it does because I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere. I guess it's probably not something they would do for just a face lift update.
It's nice not to have ~20 L of extra fluid in the car (weight), or worry about keeping it from running empty (not a big issue). One less source of complexity/issues. Everyone wants a cleaner environment, but it's about choosing trade offs. A Yaris would be a much cleaner option than an SCR-fitted Prado :-).
Good info about SCR/AdBlue here: https://practicalmotoring.com.au/4x4...reduction-scr/
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Euro 6 is being debated in parliament currently. Car manufacturers are saying its impossible to meet in Australia with our poor quality fuel. So the government is considering weather or not to raise our fuel quality standards which will increase fuel price which they don't want to do. So it's a good chance we will be Euro 5 for awhile, Euro 6 was originally slated to be mandatory from July 2018. Outcome expected soon. On another note LCT is being discussed to be abolished too along with the FTA with Europe. LCT was originally designed to hurt European vehicles the most to aid Australian built vehicles which are now extinct.
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Okay thanks, it was my misunderstanding; I thought Euro 5 required DPF and SCR but it’s only DPF. Euro 6 demands SCR. I’ve no problem with the government implementing SCR, from what I’ve read it seems like an effective solution to reduce nitrogen pollution with no obvious loss of power or performance. One more thing to break, however, and of course you could get caught with your pants down if the DEF runs out in the middle of nowhere.
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Originally posted by Grinbot View PostI hope the new model doesn't have SCR/AdBlue, and I don't think it does because I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere. I guess it's probably not something they would do for just a face lift update.
It's nice not to have ~20 L of extra fluid in the car (weight), or worry about keeping it from running empty (not a big issue). One less source of complexity/issues. Everyone wants a cleaner environment, but it's about choosing trade offs. A Yaris would be a much cleaner option than an SCR-fitted Prado :-).
Good info about SCR/AdBlue here: https://practicalmotoring.com.au/4x4...reduction-scr/
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Originally posted by bretthar View PostFrom what I’ve read running out of adblue is a really big deal as if you run out the car will not start .
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