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  • Ironman Foamcell Pro Group Buy

    Hey all,

    After a lot of development time tuning in the valving and off-road testing, the big day has finally arrived!

    This group buy offers custom valved Ironman Foamcell Pros for the Prado 120/150 to Pradopoint members, and also to our friends over at FJCC with their FJ Cruisers. The review threads for the front struts and rear shocks can be found here;

    http://www.pradopoint.com.au/showthr...-the-Prado-IFS

    http://www.pradopoint.com.au/showthr...the-Prado-rear

    There has also been another thread running discussing the group buy, which also contains many technical details, including how the valving has been changed compared to the original valving. It can be found here;

    http://www.pradopoint.com.au/showthr...-foamcell-pros

    The custom valving that has been developed is suitable for heavy off-road tourers. There is only one version of valving for the front struts. There is a hard and soft version for the rear shocks, and I will supply all rears with the soft valving, and the additional rebound shim required to turn it into the hard version. Please note that the Ironman Foamcell Pros are a fully rebuildable/serviceable shock that you can take apart in the comfort of your own garage with the Ironman c-spanner. The coils appropriate to the custom valving are recommended as 670-725lb/in for the front depending on accessories, and 270-280lb/in for the rear.


    In addition the buy will also offer Dobinsons and King coil springs, front swaybar relocation blocks, longer rear swaybar links (OEM type and heavy duty Ironman and Roadsafe adjustable length type), c-spanner for adjusting coilover height/strut and shock disassembly, and strut caps. Struts can be supplied pre-assembled with the purchase of strut caps. Firestone airbags with kevlar sleeves will also be offered.

    You will require front swaybar relocation blocks and longer rear swaybar links with these struts and shocks.

    The price structure for the group buy is below;

    Ironman 45710 custom struts: $540/pair

    Ironman 45682 custom shocks: $420/pair

    Strut caps: $100/pair

    Dobinsons coil springs: $185/pair (front or rear)

    King coil springs: $190/pair (front)

    Ironman front swaybar relocation blocks: $77/pair

    Roadsafe fixed length rear swaybar links (30mm longer OEM style): $80/pair

    Ironman adjustable rear swaybar links: $120/pair

    Roadsafe adjustable rear swaybar links: $130/pair

    Ironman c-spanner: $77

    Firestone rear airbags: $285/pair

    Firestone Kevlar sleeves: $75/pair

    Valve shim stack/materials costs: $40 (added 26th June)

    Payment will be required in full.

    Please note that the group buy will proceed in batches of 5 members at a time in the original order that you have joined the list. It will be done this way due to stock limitations and the time required for re-valving. I already have something like 100 struts and shocks to re-valve, and the rate at which I can complete this task is dependent on both supply of stock for struts, shocks and valve shims. For this reason it is more convenient to do it in batches of 5 members so you are not waiting for weeks after you have paid your money.

    It is also for the reasons above that the group buy will run for a significant length of time, at least 1 month, to enable me to find stock and get the re-valving completed.

    There will be no additional labour charges for re-valving or strut assembly, as I am absorbing all of this cost by doing it myself.

    The complete list of members currently on the group buy is given in post #2.

    To get your coil selection correct, I will require all details of your vehicles. Front and rear accessories, including bullbars, underbody protection, winch, secondary battery, rear bars, rear draws etc etc.

    Please forward all of your details to me at [email protected]

    I will require;

    Name: (including your Pradopoint member name)
    Address:
    Contact phone number:
    Email address:

    I will require all of these details so I can get accurate delivery quotes for you. I also require a street address as deliveries cannot go to PO boxes. I will be adding a standard $80 delivery fee to your suspension costs. This delivery cost will go up and down dependent on your distance and location from me in Brisbane. Most major eastern cities will be around this figure, but the price can increase significantly for WA and remote locations. That being so, I will either refund you a small amount after delivery, or ask you for additional delivery costs. For anything over the $80 delivery cost I will ask for the full payment before delivery.

    Once I make contact with you via email I will make available all of my contact details, mobile number, bank account payment details etc. Please note that this group buy is fully monitored by Pradopoint administration. If you have any concerns please don’t hesitate to contact Piggy, amts or myself.

    Please note there are two Ironman versions of the rear shocks, 45682FE (80 series) and 45682FEC (Prado comfort spec). While the FE and FEC run different Ironman valving (which is removed and replaced by the custom valving), The FE and FEC are geometrically identical in every way except for the top bushes. The 80 series FE bushes do not have 150/FJ locating washers and as such if you receive the FE version shocks and you own a 150/FJ, you will need to re-use your existing 150/FJ rear bushes/locating washers. If you have a 120 Prado and receive FE shocks they will bolt straight in with the 120 locating washer supplied. Depending on stock availability, you may receive FE or FEC. The first batch of 5 are all FE shocks, as these were the last remaining stock in Australia.

    A group buy of this size with all the R&D and components on offer doesn’t happen easily, and Ironman have been fantastic to deal with every step of the way! My good mate John at Zordo’s 4WD Suspension is also acting as the Ironman distributor for this group buy, and it wouldn’t happen without him as the middle man! Parcels will be sent via Johns courier with tracking.

    Lastly I’d like to say thanks to Pradopoint admin for allowing the group buy to happen, and a big thank you to all the members who have hung in waiting for this group buy, it has been a long time in the making, but it is worth the wait, I know you will all enjoy this suspension!

    Any questions/issues, just email me!

    Best

    Mark
    Whitey
    Shockie Maker of the Month Award
    Last edited by Whitey; 26-06-2017, 11:53 PM.
    2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

  • #2
    Post #2: Coil selection and Members on the list so far;


    Coil selection and ride height – please read to get an idea for your own vehicle

    The front strut valving will work best with coils around 670lb/in for lighter 120’s and FJ’s, and up to 725lb/in for heavier 150’s. For anyone with a steel bar or more on a 120 or FJ, I would advise using King KTFR-101H 660lb/in coils. For 150’s with a steel bar or more the 725lb/in Dobinsons series are appropriate, eg. C59-350 380mm 725lb/in. I would advise running the front end ride height in the 790-800mm range to achieve maximum possible droop on the IFS.

    The rear valving works best with linear coils in the 260-280lb/in range. The rear Ironman shock open length of ca. 620mm requires a minimum coil free height of 410mm on the coil bucket separation at full droop/articulation. Dobinsons have a nice range of coils to suit the rear, depending on load starting with C59-327 410mm 270lb/in, C59-627 420mm 270lb/in and C59-487 430mm 280lb/in. These coils will lift in the 50-80mm range depending on your rear load. Running around 830mm rear ride height gives the best handling and also optimal droop for the rear.


    Members on the list;

    1. macaroon1 (revalved/fitted)
    2. Samo86 (revalved/sent/received)
    3. amts (revalved/sent/received)
    4. kyrpto (revalved/sent/received)
    5. bazzang (revalved/sent/received)
    6. 404pug (revalved/sent/received)
    7. Chicken (revalved/sent/received)
    8. photoprado (revalved/sent/received)
    9. spysi (revalved/fitted)
    10. dogg15 (revalved/fitted)
    11. DuckyFJ (revalved/sent/received)
    12. Mkeech (revalved/sent/received)
    13. Sumodog (revalved/sent/received)
    14. FJSA (revalved/sent/received)
    15. rorza (revalved/sent/received)
    16. krisblucher (revalved/received)
    17. Miles FJ (revalved/sent/received)
    18. oneday (revalved/sent/received)
    19. Azzman77 (revalved/sent/received)
    20. fatty boy (revalved/sent/received)
    21. ziggle (revalved/sent/received)
    22. Andy d (revalved/sent/received)
    23. adrian5800 (revalved/sent/received)
    24. whynot12 (revalved/received)
    25. Maggers (revalved/sent/received)
    26. Tin175 (revalved/received)
    27. shill66 (revalved/sent/received)
    28. no1flame (revalved/reserved/fitted)
    29. fjresq (revalved/sent/received)
    30. Nova (revalved/sent/received)
    31. shonky 150 (revalved/sent/received)
    32. luke666 (revalved/sent/received)
    33. stevensr34 (revalved/fitted)
    34. Poss (revalved/sent/received)
    35. juz (revalved/sent/received)
    36. congo200 (revalved/sent/received)
    37. Hugsie (revalved/sent/received)
    38. Subbo (revalved/sent/received)
    39. Piggy (revalved/sent/received)
    40. prado point (revalved/sent/received)
    41. Carny (revalved/sent/received)
    42. craigm (revalved/fitted)
    43. Webby (revalved/sent/received)
    44. Werner (revalved/reserved/fitted)
    45. drwormy (revalved/sent/received)
    46. JohnKas (revalved/sent/received)
    47. iantag (revalved/reserved/fitted)

    If your member name is on this list and you no longer want to be part of the group buy, please contact me and let me know and I'll update the list. I will proceed with sending orders for those who have contacted me.
    Whitey
    Shockie Maker of the Month Award
    Last edited by Whitey; 06-12-2017, 07:21 PM. Reason: Updated the list
    2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Whitey View Post
      Any questions/issues, just email me!
      Fantastic effort Mark! Would it be possible to get the original shim stacks as well?

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      • #4
        Thanks Mark and PP admin as well for making this group happens.
        Sent an email with the details.
        2013 ZR in Crystal Pearl With Bits From ARB Catalogue.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by FJSA View Post
          Fantastic effort Mark! Would it be possible to get the original shim stacks as well?
          Hey,

          I hope you won't mind, but as I have to pay for the custom stacks myself and don't recover the cost, if you want the original stacks I'll charge you the same cost, which is $33 for all four stacks. The custom shim stack cost adds up to a lot of money for 25 vehicles, and I'm already facing a potential shim stack shortage. As such I may have to take certain shims from the original stacks to complete partial custom stacks.

          I'm also hoping to keep as many of the original stacks as I can gather to try and lower the cost of custom stacks down the track by doing what I said above and taking certain shims out.

          Further, if you get an FE stack for the rear, it won't work well with the high 270-280lb/in rear coil rate.

          As you're further down the list at lucky number 16, it may not be so important by the time I get to you, I just have to see how the shim supply turns out!

          Best

          Mark
          2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Whitey View Post
            Hey,

            I hope you won't mind, but as I have to pay for the custom stacks myself and don't recover the cost, if you want the original stacks I'll charge you the same cost, which is $33 for all four stacks. The custom shim stack cost adds up to a lot of money for 25 vehicles, and I'm already facing a potential shim stack shortage.
            No problem at all. It's in everybody's interest to have this group buy progress smoothly, so IMO whatever you think is appropriate to do with the original stacks, do it. Considering how much time and efforts you have already put into this and will need to continue doing so, telling you what to do would be highly inappropriate. We are all in your hands

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            • #7
              Originally posted by FJSA View Post
              No problem at all. It's in everybody's interest to have this group buy progress smoothly, so IMO whatever you think is appropriate to do with the original stacks, do it. Considering how much time and efforts you have already put into this and will need to continue doing so, telling you what to do would be highly inappropriate. We are all in your hands
              Hey,

              Cheers for that! Hahaha, I'm always getting told what to do anyway!

              Hopefully the logistical side of things goes smoothly!

              Best

              Mark
              2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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              • #8
                What a champion.

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                • #9
                  Fantastic news Mark. Thanks for your great work on this. Just 2 quick questions which others may be interested in. 1] what do the front sway bar spacers do and are they necessary?
                  2] ditto the rear extended sway bar links.
                  On my 120 with OME lift these weren't changed. Was I missing out on some benefit?

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                  • #10
                    Fantastic news Mark. Thanks for your great work on this. Just 2 quick questions which others may be interested in. 1] what do the front sway bar spacers do and are they necessary?
                    2] ditto the rear extended sway bar links.
                    On my 120 with OME lift these weren't changed. Was I missing out on some benefit?
                    Email sent confirming my participation.

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                    • #11
                      Very exciting. Now to work out what all of that means, how much lift I'll get and whether Zordo will fit it all haha.

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                      • #12
                        Absolutely amazing effort to get this off the ground, cudos to you Mark....bloody legend
                        Samo86
                        Junior Member
                        Last edited by Samo86; 13-06-2017, 09:29 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Fantastic effort mate, Thanks for all your effort ... Top bloke !!!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 404pug View Post
                            Fantastic news Mark. Thanks for your great work on this. Just 2 quick questions which others may be interested in. 1] what do the front sway bar spacers do and are they necessary?
                            2] ditto the rear extended sway bar links.
                            On my 120 with OME lift these weren't changed. Was I missing out on some benefit?
                            Email sent confirming my participation.
                            Hey pug,

                            The relocation of the front swaybar is because of the big fat body of the Ironman struts, which is around 65mm, bigger than a more typical 2" strut body (like your OME gear). The relocation blocks will give you a bit of breathing space and avoid the swaybar contacting the strut.

                            The longer links in the rear are because the rear Ironman shock open length (close to 620mm) is longer than the limit of the swaybar arc, at around 615mm open length. If you don't extend the links, you can hang the entire weight of the rear differential off the tiny little swaybar, which can do nasty things like this;

                            http://www.pradopoint.com.au/showthr...nap-a-Sway-Bar

                            Hope this helps!

                            Best

                            Mark
                            2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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                            • #15
                              Sure does. I am in for both of them as well please. We are learning so much on this thread! Neil.

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