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    Hi Guys, im looking at buying a Prado 120 series but cant decide on Petrol or Diesel, looks like the petrol model is cheaper, whats the servicing costs like? power and Torque comparison? reliability?
    hit me with your opinions and info, especially what year models to avoid or go for, TIA

  • #2
    If your doing more city and short trips a petrol.
    I'd suggest having a read of a few threads in this section. Been asked a lot before and plenty of info.

    Also read the threads on diesel injectors and engines blowing. Food for thought.

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    • #3
      Second hand 120 ideal IMHO 2008-2009 VX V6 auto, cant find one 2006+ V6 auto what ever grade in good condition (VX and Grande have all safety features and ATRAC ). Petrol has immense reliability if looked after (which does not require much more than normal servicing) but also huge fuel use if fanged while driven nicely is not to bad, Diesel good reliability lower fuel use... but higher servicing costs again READ forum like Piggy said.
      As for driving if you like instant power get a V6, but really drive some different prados with Petrol and Diesel, some drive like new at 200,000kms and some are dogs at 100,000kms, allocate some $$ for suspension work as unless it was done recently will require some.

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      • #4
        I haven't owned a diesel 120, but have owned my petrol 2008 model for almost 8 years now.

        The V6 engine is silky smooth, no fuss, no vibration, and pretty much maximum torque from 1500rpm up. Revs nicely when you want it to, but happy to sit at 1500rpm if required.

        Fuel consumption: I unfortunately drive short urban trips mostly, in a very hilly area in Brisbane, and get 14.8 l/100km. Once on the highway, this drops to 11 l/100km or less.

        As I've posted before, my father-in-law has a 120 series diesel (2004) and we both did the Cape, together in our two cars. (Our car was more heavily loaded than his too...) On our return, we both calculated our fuel consumption overall for the trip: BOTH of us got the same 13 l/100km over 6500km.
        So much for diesel economy?

        Servicing is cheap enough - about $250 every 10,000km. Remember the V6 has no cambelt to change (uses a chain) and no injectors to clean or replace...
        stevensr34
        Senior Member
        Last edited by stevensr34; 10-05-2017, 01:20 PM.
        Rob.
        '08 GXL V6 Manual with: O/L Bar, Cibie Oscars, Safari Snorkel, Revalved Ironman 45710 Struts & 45682 Shocks, Dobinsons & King springs, MickeyT STZs, Eaton E-locker on rear, ScanGaugeII, InaWise TPMS, and a Tvan controlled via TowPro.

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        • #5
          thanks guys, 1 more question, was there a change in the V6 or is the 2004 the same as the 2008, im looking at a 2004 that looks the goods.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Piggy View Post
            If your doing more city and short trips a petrol.
            I'd suggest having a read of a few threads in this section. Been asked a lot before and plenty of info.

            Also read the threads on diesel injectors and engines blowing. Food for thought.
            will definitely read through the forum, i only just signed on so still learning to navigate it, best info is from those that have owned it.

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            • #7
              There where some leaks caused by casting in "some" early V6s fixed by late 2006, read the forums there is a what to look for page about buying a Prado, 2004 had a 4 Speed auto I think in 2005 they went to a 5 Speed auto that is a really good unit stronger better mileage.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hobes View Post
                There where some leaks caused by casting in "some" early V6s fixed by late 2006, read the forums there is a what to look for page about buying a Prado, 2004 had a 4 Speed auto I think in 2005 they went to a 5 Speed auto that is a really good unit stronger better mileage.
                Hey,

                The 1GR-FE timing cover leak was in 04-08 vehicles;

                http://www.pradopoint.com.au/showthr...IY-fix-at-home

                It was also common to see blown head gaskets around #6 cylinder in early 04 models.

                The timing cover leak is probably one of the most common oil leaks to keep an eye out for on the 1GR-FE, more of an annoyance than anything major.

                Best

                Mark
                2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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                • #9
                  And they don't all leak. Mine had no leaks anywhere at 160000 [2005 model]. Definitely get the 5 speed auto from early 2005 [?]

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                  • #10
                    cant seem to access all threads, can only see 7 in "what to look for" but should be 515 threads.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Maty View Post
                      cant seem to access all threads, can only see 7 in "what to look for" but should be 515 threads.
                      Use google rather than the pradopoint search function. It works better! Just type in pradopoint followed by the subject matter.
                      1997 petrol auto, 430 000km. Still going strong.
                      2004 petrol auto, 233 000km. Cracked dash and no help from Toyota!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hogey66 View Post
                        Use google rather than the pradopoint search function. It works better! Just type in pradopoint followed by the subject matter.
                        Thanks ill give it a go

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Maty View Post
                          Hi Guys, im looking at buying a Prado 120 series but cant decide on Petrol or Diesel, looks like the petrol model is cheaper, whats the servicing costs like? power and Torque comparison? reliability?
                          hit me with your opinions and info, especially what year models to avoid or go for, TIA
                          Hey Maty,

                          A second hand petrol is definitely cheaper than a diesel.

                          For a running cost comparison that includes the service schedule and at least x1 injector change for the diesel, have a read of this;

                          http://www.pradopoint.com.au/showthr...ost-comparison

                          Post #139 on the final page shows the average savings/year vs fuel economy.

                          Power and Torque for 1GR-FE vs 1KD-FTV;



                          In terms of reliability, read this thread on the problems with diesel injector seats;

                          http://www.pradopoint.com.au/showthr...-seats-Egr-Scv

                          Every bit of information you want is in the above.

                          Your last question about reliability: aside from potential oil leaks, the 1GR-FE is a very reliable engine that is low maintenance. The 1KD-FTV is a high maintenance engine that can be problematic and turn into an expensive rebuild if not carefully maintained and injector values/oil pickup/egr monitored carefully. The 1KD does not go well with chip upgrades and the pistons are on the weaker rather than stronger side. Conversely, the 1GR can be supercharged with a bolt on supercharger/exhaust kit, with to date no reported issues.

                          Hope this helps!

                          Best

                          Mark
                          Whitey
                          Shockie Maker of the Month Award
                          Last edited by Whitey; 10-05-2017, 10:48 PM. Reason: Updated plot
                          2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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                          • #14
                            Go to just under pradopoint logo in one of the toolbars.
                            Forum Actions> General Settings > Thread Display options > Set thread cutoff to a longer period.

                            This is most likely the issue.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Whitey View Post
                              Hey Maty,

                              A second hand petrol is definitely cheaper than a diesel.

                              For a running cost comparison that includes the service schedule and at least x1 injector change for the diesel, have a read of this;

                              http://www.pradopoint.com.au/showthr...ost-comparison

                              Post #139 on the final page shows the average savings/year vs fuel economy.

                              Power and Torque for 1GR-FE vs 1KD-FTV;



                              In terms of reliability, read this thread on the problems with diesel injector seats;

                              http://www.pradopoint.com.au/showthr...-seats-Egr-Scv

                              Every bit of information you want is in the above.

                              Your last question about reliability: aside from potential oil leaks, the 1GR-FE is a very reliable engine that is low maintenance. The 1KD-FTV is a high maintenance engine that can be problematic and turn into an expensive rebuild if not carefully maintained and injector values/oil pickup/egr monitored carefully. The 1KD does not go well with chip upgrades and the pistons are on the weaker rather than stronger side. Conversely, the 1GR can be supercharged with a bolt on supercharger/exhaust kit, with to date no reported issues.

                              Hope this helps!

                              Best

                              Mark

                              thats excellent, thank you very much.

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