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    Hi guys
    I have been thinking one this for a while now, I have had my Prado for about 10 years and this has always given me the sh!ts, the inability to engage low range without the CDL (centre diff lock) being locked.

    There have been a number of threads on here over the years on this topic and several people have expressed an interest in changing this "design feature", but it has always been resigned to the too hard basket.

    https://www.pradopoint.com.au/forum/...d-in-low-range

    https://www.pradopoint.com.au/forum/...range-unlocked

    I fail to see why Mr Toyota/Aisan, limited the VF4B transfers from being able to be low range unlocked. It’s not that the manual box 5/6 speeds are limited this way, possibly due to the smoother torque output of the autos, if the car has VSC/traction control then they have the VF4BM which can be driven in low unlocked. They are the same box internally apart from the CDL actuation method. Even the owners manual advises to only lock the CDL in low range when absolutely necessary - the Torsen centre diff is pretty good in that regard.

    My Prado is a '05 KZJ120 GXL with the 5 speed R150F manual gearbox and VF4B manual transfer case. I tow often and do a fair amount of off road work, the 1KZ isn't a power house - first gear on the R150F is quite tall requiring some clutch slip to get going. I have had, on a number of occasions, towing up a steep hill in hilly areas on tarmac, been down to first gear - and losing speed with no more gears left. Not a good idea to engage low range on tar with the CDL engaged unless it's a straight road. Also, a steep hill-start with a fully loaded car and camper trailer in high range isn't at all kind on the clutch. It would also be to great be able to reverse my camper trailer slowly uphill at an angle on the driveway into my carport in low unlocked. I like to think I have some level of mechanical sympathy.

    So, serious thought into making this mod happen. FJ Cruisers in the states came with VF2A part time transfers or VF4B/M full time transfer cases. The full time FWD manual transfer cases can be fitted with aftermarket twin sticks for not much $, to select range and CDL independently. They use a similar VF4B transfer as well though they are a top shift transfer, whereas the Prado VF4B/M are forward shift (top shift - the gear lever is in the top of the transfer whereas the forward shift have the gear lever mounted on the transfer adapter on the back of the transmission). I had no intention of butchering the interior of my car - cutting extra holes in plastic and creating dramas sealing up the rubber boot arrangement for the gear levers. So, single stick it had to be, or replace the transfer with a VF4BM and rig up an electrical system for the CDL. My transfer case is in good condition so I didn't want to spend $500-$600 on another second hand case.

    I have the factory service manual and spent some time studying it to figure out if the interlocking arrangement of the shift rails for lock and range can be separated. I ordered some parts from Amayama to play with and set to work, it's not a huge job removing the transfer case on the Prado. I stripped the transfer and worked out what needed to be done. Once I had all the notes I needed, I rebuilt it and fitted it back into the car.
    The main mod involves increasing the lock shift gate slot dimension so that the gear lever can be moved across to the range shift gate without moving the lock rail first into lock. Then the gear lever needs to be biased to the range rail by the spring, so that the increased free play doesn't cause the lever to float backwards and forwards slightly in the gate. This is just my personal preference and if you feel that's not needed that's up to you. This gate also needs a lug welded to the end to stop the lever moving across to dead space between the gates when in low unlocked.

    There is an interlock pin between the two rails that prevents low range unless the lock rail is in the lock position. That can easily be removed, but there is also a link between the two rails, such that when low range is selected it forces the lock rail positively into the lock position. This link also has the function of preventing the lock rail rotating and limits the range rail travel in the low range position, so it couldn't be just simply removed. Some workarounds for this took some figuring out. I wanted the mod to be completely reversible, cheap and reliable. The last thing I wanted was for something to fail hundreds of km from civilisation. The range shift gate requires a stop welded to it to limit the travel of the lock rail once the circlip and interlock pin are removed. The stop contacts the transfer housing next to the rail seal. If this isn't done the rail will over travel resulting in the range hub going out of mesh and it will be very hard to get the rail back and synchro hub to realign and engage.

    So parts required to complete the mod.
    36315-60030 HEAD, TRANSFER GEAR SHIFT, NO.1 $8.43 x1
    36316-60010 HEAD, TRANSFER GEAR SHIFT, NO.2 $6.92 x1

    Big expense hey? I bought a few other things as well seeing as it was a viability exercise, spare roll pins, a rail shaft, seals, circlips etc. All up I probably spent around $100 for everything inc. freight.

    You could remove the transfer and mod the shift gates for zero parts cost, but I wanted to be able to revert this back to standard operation and I didn't want the car to be off the road for an extended period. It is my daily drive.

    There is labour cost (mine was free) and you may want to change seals, oil etc while the case is out. For the 10mm tool steel, I bought a cheap pry bar from supercheap for about $12 which will give you enough material to modify 10 gates. You will need a welder - I have a TIG - I used EN70 filler rod using preheat and post heat treatment, if I had the rods handy I suppose I could have used 312 stainless (good for welding dissimilar/high carbon/tool steel/heat treated metals).

    Pictures to come

    Edit, video added

    https://youtu.be/fNvnI1MCkqY
    adrian5800
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    Last edited by adrian5800; 16-04-2018, 10:27 AM.
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    Parts diagram of transfer shift rails




    Increase lock gate slot length






    Modification of the lock shift gate



    Modification of the range shift gate





    Continued further down thread...
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    adrian5800
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    Last edited by adrian5800; 13-04-2018, 08:54 PM.
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    • #3
      You, Sir, are to be congratulated for thinking outside the box. I have been bemoaning the CDL for the same reasons you have listed, plus I'm on 32" rubber so H1 is 6% higher. Time to figure out what txfr case is in a KZJ95.

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      • #4
        Thanks mate.
        I could be wrong but the 90/95s may have the same options as the 120s. I've just been googling owners manuals and the shift pattern is the same. Same manual R150F as the 5 speed 120.
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        • #5
          I have been trying to go through the shop manuals and supplements for '96, '99 and 2000, and at the moment it suggests that it is a VF3BM txfr case, and I am still trying to figure out the difference between R150F and R151F. I THINK the R151F has a diaphragm txfr case shift. Don't know if the cases/gearbags are marked or stamped?
          t303
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          Last edited by t303; 10-04-2018, 07:49 PM.

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          • #6
            There's a couple of numbers dot matrix'd stamped on the gearbox and back of the transfer but they don't seem to relate to anything other than possibly serial no's.
            I haven't found a decent repair manual for the 90s other than a Gregory's. Do you have the FSM? Could you send or share it with me?
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            • #7
              that is an awesome job !! well done
              i asked this question quite a few times and yes no real answers
              i have the 2008 6 sp so i would guess it should work on it as well

              once modified you are still able to have the centre lock in H & L ? and be able to run in low without the centre lock would be the best thing for the manual guys that tow !!!!
              i have a 2.35T van and hate backing it , also have a 1T boat and use low 1st to pull it straight up the ramp then swap back to high

              can you work out a deal to supply the parts made up please cheers, i think i know at least 3 guys that would do it
              James
              2008 Dune D4D manual GXL update - with lots of fruit !! + Roma Razorback Off Road Van

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              • #8
                Originally posted by adrian5800 View Post
                There's a couple of numbers dot matrix'd stamped on the gearbox and back of the transfer but they don't seem to relate to anything other than possibly serial no's.
                I haven't found a decent repair manual for the 90s other than a Gregory's. Do you have the FSM? Could you send or share it with me?
                I found a link that suggests that the difference is ratios only:
                http://www.toyotasurf.asn.au/forum/v...c.php?p=102930
                http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/toyot...468-r150f.html
                As for FSM(s), how big a drop box have you got?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Razorback81 View Post
                  that is an awesome job !! well done
                  i asked this question quite a few times and yes no real answers
                  i have the 2008 6 sp so i would guess it should work on it as well

                  once modified you are still able to have the centre lock in H & L ? and be able to run in low without the centre lock would be the best thing for the manual guys that tow !!!!
                  i have a 2.35T van and hate backing it , also have a 1T boat and use low 1st to pull it straight up the ramp then swap back to high

                  can you work out a deal to supply the parts made up please cheers, i think i know at least 3 guys that would do it
                  James
                  Yes you can select HL and LL no worries. When in low unlocked, you just need to go back to high and move the lever across to the left and move forward to engage lock, then move the lever back and across to the right and forward to reselect low.

                  I can certainly mod some gates to send to people, I do work full time and have a family so there may be a delay in the parts arriving on the doorstep..

                  Cheers


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by t303 View Post
                    I found a link that suggests that the difference is ratios only:
                    http://www.toyotasurf.asn.au/forum/v...c.php?p=102930
                    http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/toyot...468-r150f.html
                    As for FSM(s), how big a drop box have you got?
                    I've got about 6 GB free, though if you send me the link I can download direct.
                    I'll pm my email
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by adrian5800 View Post

                      Yes you can select HL and LL no worries. When in low unlocked, you just need to go back to high and move the lever across to the left and move forward to engage lock, then move the lever back and across to the right and forward to reselect low.

                      I can certainly mod some gates to send to people, I do work full time and have a family so there may be a delay in the parts arriving on the doorstep..

                      Cheers

                      Awesome mate
                      how long did it take you to get the parts?
                      i have been in discussion with my 2 mates and we are very keen (all 3 of us have to do clutches at some stage, 1 a soon as possible )
                      did you do any drawings when you completed it? ( you said something about adjusting it once it was apart)

                      cheers James
                      2008 Dune D4D manual GXL update - with lots of fruit !! + Roma Razorback Off Road Van

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Razorback81 View Post

                        Awesome mate
                        how long did it take you to get the parts?
                        i have been in discussion with my 2 mates and we are very keen (all 3 of us have to do clutches at some stage, 1 a soon as possible )
                        did you do any drawings when you completed it? ( you said something about adjusting it once it was apart)

                        cheers James
                        Amayama took about 2 weeks for the parts to arrive, I normally order from them from aus stock, you pay slightly more for the parts but you only pay local freight. I believe they don't actually hold or locate the stock in aus but order the items as a stock order from Japan. Partsouq is another source but you pay much more for freight as they are in Dubai.
                        I haven't drawn up the mods in autocad but I have notes of the dimensions.

                        The adjustments I made were to the lug/stops I welded on, I didn't have the final dimensions when I welded them, only later when I stripped the transfer case. Then I just cut them exactly to length.
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                        • #13
                          can you list the other parts that we should look at ?
                          seals etc while we have them apart
                          cheers
                          James
                          2008 Dune D4D manual GXL update - with lots of fruit !! + Roma Razorback Off Road Van

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Razorback81 View Post
                            can you list the other parts that we should look at ?
                            seals etc while we have them apart
                            cheers
                            James
                            I changed all the seals on my transfer:

                            90311-41012 seal oil transfer case (front output) x1
                            90311-41007 seal oil transfer case (rear output) x1
                            90311-43008 seal oil transfer input x1
                            90311-43007 seal oil gbox output x1
                            90311-15008 seal oil transfer case shift rail x2

                            The front output seal is the favourite to leak esp if you have done beach work, the wiper seal fills with sand and wears the seal away.

                            Remember mine is a KZJ120, I don't know the model details of yours, but before you order anything I would double check that yours uses the same part numbers. I use http://www.japan-parts.eu/ and you can search for the part numbers above and see if they are the same. See screenshot.

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                            • #15
                              i just looked and those numbers on all the seals & the selector parts are the same in the diagram for my vin number

                              anything else you would order ? roll pins ? gaskets?

                              did you just pull the transfer case of the rear of the box or did you pull the whole gearbox & transfer case out of the car?
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