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  • Originally posted by Whitey View Post
    Front struts

    MR59-50221 old 427-560mm (Prado 120) same
    MR59-50700 427-570mm (Prado 150) new 427-555mm
    Really? The 120 MRR's are longer than the 150's now?

    Doesn't sound right (or good)
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    • Hi everyone,

      I'm sorry to ask but how may I download the table to my computer?

      Thanks a lot

      Reno

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      • Hi,

        Koni apparently have some new shocks which they say is suitable for a Prado with a raised suspension. They include an adjustable rebound feature and are serviceable. Details below:

        ∑ Front Part No: 88-1712SP2 Max/Min: 560/432 mm
        ∑ Rear Part No: 90-5404L/RSP2 Max/Min: 617/391 mm


        I am considering getting these for my car as part of a 40mm lift. Does anyone have any experience with them? How is the off-road performance? The Max/Min specs for the front suspension seems a little short in travel. Any opinions?

        Cheers,
        Brad

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        • Hey Brad,

          These lengths are an improvement over the first gen RAIDS, but the strut open length is still shortish, and the shock closed length is longish, and you'll prolly want to space your rear bumpstops a little.

          While the valving of the first gen struts was ok, the real question is if the very low rebound in the first gen rear shocks has been increased to a magnitude that is appropriate for off-road handling, otherwise you'll end up with a pogo stick in a loaded Prado!

          Best

          Mark
          2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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          • Originally posted by Whitey View Post
            While the valving of the first gen struts was ok, the real question is if the very low rebound in the first gen rear shocks has been increased to a magnitude that is appropriate for off-road handling, otherwise you'll end up with a pogo stick in a loaded Prado!
            Ah, thank you for pointing that out, that was not an issue I had thought of. I'll see if Koni will provide any numbers on the compression+rebound of the shock.

            Picking out suspension for the car is taking a surprising amount of effort - nothing seems quite right for the job!

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            • Lovells long travel (Series 3) 64612489 open 615 closed 375
              The one listed on the database is series 2
              both are still available.

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              • 770FRHD88I TJM front spring rate is 800

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                  • Checked my suspension measurements today, I have an OME setup front and rear (it was on when i bought the car,)
                    Measurements;
                    790mm F/R,
                    790mm F/L,
                    835mm R/R,
                    820mm R/L.

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                    • Extra data points:

                      my recent purchase of a prado 120 came with Oz Tech "big bore long travel" structs and shocks. It works well (plush but fair bit of body roll) with kings stand 2 inch lift front springs and rear airbag conversion spring. The car is stock other than a set 70kg+ draws and 40lt Engel fridge fitted to the back.

                      I rang Oz Tech (base in Brisbane) and they gave me the following open/close data for the shocks:

                      Front Strut: 64108: open 560; close 405;
                      Rear Shock: 64148: open 590; close 355;

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                      • King Springs have an airbag to coil spring conversion spring for the 120 Grande:
                        https://kingsprings.com.au/catalogue...nv-2-2003-2009

                        The Grande "40mm raised height 0-100kg load" spring is the KTRR-102AB.
                        With a rate of 260lb/in and a free length of just 405mm this spring would not give me the height I wanted with the weight in my Grande, and in my opinion was also doubtful as a combination with my long travel rear shocks.

                        As a result I opted for AMTS coils instead and I am very happy with the result!
                        https://www.pradopoint.com.au/forum/...ion-amts-coils
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                        • For Grande/Kakadu owners, Dobinsons have released an airbag to coil conversion kit aimed primarily at the US market and the GX 470.
                          The conversion kit gives you greater flexibility because it will allow you to use any Prado rear spring, downside is it costs $350AUD plus springs.

                          Part number for the kit is WA59-561K

                          https://www.dobinsonsprings.com/dos-...9-561k-detail#

                          https://www.dobinsonsdirect.com/prod...470-and-gx460/

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                          • Originally posted by Peterpilot View Post
                            King Springs have an airbag to coil spring conversion spring for the 120 Grande:
                            https://kingsprings.com.au/catalogue...nv-2-2003-2009

                            The Grande "40mm raised height 0-100kg load" spring is the KTRR-102AB.
                            With a rate of 260lb/in and a free length of... 405mm...
                            King Springs also have a standard height airbag conversion spring as a replacement for the standard Toyota pneumatic spring.
                            The KTRS-102AB with a rate of 260lb/in and a free length of 380mm.
                            "S[FONT=Arial]ure itís quiet, for a diesel. But thatís like being well-behavedÖ for a murderer."[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]- Jeremy Clarkson[/FONT]

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                            • Hi Peter and all on this thread...I enjoyed the database compiled for suspension on the Prado a number of years ago.

                              For someone like me, who is not overly technical and not always bush, are you able to provide some guidance on a good set up? I won't hold anyone accountable for advice you provide, I am more looking to ensure I get the right stuff and don't get ripped off.

                              I've got an 04 120 series GXL petrol Prado with factory set up all round, 300k on the clock. I've got drawers permanently in (rear seats in the garage) and steel tray roof rack, bull bar, tow bar and an awning. When I hit out, I am usually carrying a roof top tent, fridge, water etc. nothing too unusual. I have a trailer but it stays at home most of the time.

                              I'm heading for the Gibb in the middle of this year for a month with a couple of others and was contemplating a 2 inch lift kit as an option so i'm not the one getting stuck. There is a lot of variation in cost of coils and struts (which I gather is what I'm buying and not reservoir etc.). In 2019 speak, are there any well proven set ups you might be aware of that work better than most and represent the best value for a once or twice a year adventurer partaking in reasonable terrain activity?

                              Hoping someone might take the time to drop me a note in return....thanks in advance...Al

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