Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Grande lift warning

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Grande lift warning

    Hi Guys,
    Thought I should share with you a problem that developed after lifting the Prado Grande. I have put in a 2" lift front and rear, using AMTS's very good shim kit plus all the other springs and shocks needed.
    While towing my Kimberley Kamper in the Vic High country my drivers side rear airbag burst as I was doing a U turn on a dirt track. I left the Kamper safely and drove on the bump stops to Benambra where a very helpful mechanic put the Prado up on the hoist to inspect what went wrong. His thoughts were that I had hit something and badly bent the lower drivers side rear mount and that that had caused the airbag to kink and get pinched, ultimately leading to the rupture. I said that I didn't recall an event like that but accepted that as a probable cause.
    A new airbag was ordered in and arrived 2 days later (a mere $460), was fitted to the straightened mount and off I went to pick up the camper. Two km. after hitching the camper on, the new airbag burst. We limped back to the mechanic and again he inspected the damage - exact same thing. This time he could see the the suspension geometry was wrong - by using the shim with the lift, the suspension force was no longer straight up and down but angled ever so slightly backwards causung the drivers side lower mount to bend under the heavy weight of the camper and all of our gear and the bashing around off road.
    This time he welded a small steel plate from the back of the diff. housing up to the underside of the problem bracket and a small stay onto the frontside of the bracket to stabilise the whole thing. This has worked very well with no further problems for the rest of the trip.
    If you look at the airbag mounts on the rear diff housing you will see what I mean about the potential for failure on the drivers side - the passenger side is as solid as a rock due to a different housing configuration.
    This is not me having a go at the lift components - they all work well - but when the suspension is truly loaded then the potential for failure is very real on the drivers rear.
    In total it cost me $1150 parts and labour plus 7 days sitting around. The other problem was that the ECU had shut down the airbag pump and it took hours to get it to re-boot. You might consider this mod. if you are planning a trip with a heavy load. Hope this can help.
    Regards,
    Bruce.
    (ps - I have to say that the mechanic Rick was a bloody champion!!)
    2007 Silver Grande D4D. ARB deluxe bar, 12000 ORU winch, IPF 800xs HID driving lights, Bilstien/Dobinson 2" lift, Pirana diff. breathers, TJM snorkel, BFG All terrain tyres. Tunit power chip pulling a Kimberley Kamper with "the lot".

  • #2
    One of our guys at this years GTG had exactly the same problem with his Grande. Fortunately for him the second one was replaced under warranty but was given no valid reason why the second one had burst.
    Unfortunately for him, the first one burst at Arkaroola, before we had even got to the GTG and he ended up having to limp into Adelaide to get it replaced.
    He then made a beeline to Beachport to catch up with the group, but burst the other in the beach dunes before the group had arrived, so his GTG was effectively ruined.
    He'll be very interested to read of your experience.

    Cheers,

    Dobbo
    2014 Black GXL D4D Auto with a few add ons.

    Comment


    • #3
      Yeah that story sounds almost identical to what happened to Andy at the GTG!

      Cheers Andrew
      [COLOR="#FF0000"]So Long and Thanks for all the Fish![/COLOR]

      [url=http://www.4wdadventurers.com/showthread.php?3840-AJ-s-120-Prado]MY PRADO AND DIY CAMPER TRAILER[/url]

      [url=http://www.4wdadventurers.com/showthread.php?3975-AJ-s-79-series-Cruiser-Ute]MY HZJ79 Landcrusier[/url]


      [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by AJ120 View Post
        Yeah that story sounds almost identical to what happened to Andy at the GTG!

        Cheers Andrew
        I just spoke to Andy. He said he had noticed that the right hand bag leant backwards at about 20 degrees and he'd been trying to find another Grande to compare with.
        He has Opposite Lock spacers in so he's going back to talk to them.
        2014 Black GXL D4D Auto with a few add ons.

        Comment


        • #5
          The leaning back would be the result of the lift. The axle rotates back when lifted.

          I'm thinking of a workaround to supplement the spacers to allow the airbag some freedom to move and not fix it in place.
          amts
          Ninja Poster.
          Last edited by amts; 20-11-2012, 01:40 PM.

          Comment


          • #6
            Same thing happened to me. Mine haven't burst (yet!) Glad to know I'm not the only one!
            2005 Prado TD Grande, 2 inch lift, Powerful 4x4 Rooftop Tent rack, 120w LED light bar, Ironman Snorkel, Leigh's Voltage Booster, Airbag Man Airbags, Homemade Drawers with MSA dropslide, Pacemaker 3 inch exhaust system, Performance EGT gauge, Safari Dtronic Chip

            Comment


            • #7
              Hi Bellyup,

              A bit off topic:

              Any more information re "The other problem was that the ECU had shut down the airbag pump and it took hours to get it to re-boot"? Did this shut down because the car dropped to the bumpstops, or what? Did the dash switch still start the pump, or was it completely disabled? How was the ECU reset?

              I'm interested as I'm still trying to sort out why my self-levelling has stopped working, yet I can adjust the suspension height from the dash without a problem. I have had it suggested that, although a diagnostic machine picks up the voltage drop from the sensors when a load is placed in the back, perhaps the message isn't getting to the computer so I should try to pin test the voltage at the computer to make sure it's the same as the sensor puts out. Not sure if that would be right, as the computer must be getting the voltage signal from the sensors to tell it when to stop the compressor when I use the dash switch.....

              Back on topic:

              Based on the above posts, I'm glad I stumped up for the aftermarket extended airbags!
              2004 Grande V6 4.0, ARB colour coded bar, Magnum 9k winch, dual battery, HD King springs/Bilstein F4-BE5-A712-MO (front), Airbag Man extended airbags/OME Sport 150R shocks (rear), OziOffroad diff drop, BFG KM2s, Hella 225s, ARB CKMA12 compressor, Rhino-Rack HD bars x3/alloy tray, Sunseeker II awning, Prodigy, TX3340, cargo barrier, 50L water tank with 12v pump, rear storage system, Waeco 60L with slide, rear door table, rear camp light.

              Comment


              • #8
                Hi Way2go,
                When the first airbag was refitted the mechanic applied 12v to the pump to try to get it to inflate while I was in the cabin playing with the suspension height switch. After about 30min. of doing nothing in particular the pump cut in and all was well.
                The next time, nothing we did worked - Rick the mechanic then used his ECU diagnostic tool and went into the "Air Suspension" section of the Prado menu.The report said that the there was a "fault" in the air suspension. That was reset numerous times but the report still said "fault". After playing around for some time the height switch cut in and the pump started to work.... I really don't know much more than that but the good news is that everything worked properly.
                Sorry there isn't more info to assist you.
                On the extended airbag point - I don't think that would have changed what happened to the bracket once the lift is done.
                Bruce.
                Bellyup
                Junior Member
                Last edited by Bellyup; 21-11-2012, 09:19 AM.
                2007 Silver Grande D4D. ARB deluxe bar, 12000 ORU winch, IPF 800xs HID driving lights, Bilstien/Dobinson 2" lift, Pirana diff. breathers, TJM snorkel, BFG All terrain tyres. Tunit power chip pulling a Kimberley Kamper with "the lot".

                Comment


                • #9
                  Aplogies for the tangent but is the 150 likely to suffer the same issue?
                  2011TD Kakadu

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Hi Sambo,
                    Don't know the 150 setup but have a look at the bottom mount on the drivers side - if it is only suported by welds on top of the dif. housing and no other then there will probably be the same issues as my 120. The mod. to strengthen the bracket is a very inexpensive fix.
                    Bruce.
                    2007 Silver Grande D4D. ARB deluxe bar, 12000 ORU winch, IPF 800xs HID driving lights, Bilstien/Dobinson 2" lift, Pirana diff. breathers, TJM snorkel, BFG All terrain tyres. Tunit power chip pulling a Kimberley Kamper with "the lot".

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Thanks for sharing your experience Bellyup. This is somewhat similar to the problem that I had last weekend. Not the bursting bit but ECU shutting down the compressor. (after extreme articulation in my case I think)
                      Shan
                      Senior Member
                      Last edited by Shan; 21-11-2012, 10:23 AM. Reason: Question answered
                      [COLOR=#3E3E3E][URL="http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?31747-Shan-s-Silver-TD-Altitude-with-Attitude"]2012 Altitude TD Auto - Silver[/URL] [/COLOR]

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Bummer, have been contemplating doing the lift when my ankle heals.
                        Will need to get under car and have a look at the problem.
                        Does anyone have pics of repair?
                        Cheers guys

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bellyup View Post
                          The mod. to strengthen the bracket is a very inexpensive fix.
                          Could you post some photos of this mod, when you get a chance?
                          "Sure it’s quiet, for a diesel, but that’s like being well-behaved… for a murderer."- Jeremy Clarkson

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Photos for Grande modification

                            Hi Guys,
                            As requested.
                            Sorry the photos are a bit ordinary.
                            This is the view looking at the rear of the airbag support.
                            As you can see - a simple piece of flat steel about 30-40mm wide, cut to length and welded vertically from the diff. housing to the underneath of the airbag support. Simple and so far effective.
                            Bruce.
                            Attached Files
                            Bellyup
                            Junior Member
                            Last edited by Bellyup; 27-11-2012, 01:16 PM.
                            2007 Silver Grande D4D. ARB deluxe bar, 12000 ORU winch, IPF 800xs HID driving lights, Bilstien/Dobinson 2" lift, Pirana diff. breathers, TJM snorkel, BFG All terrain tyres. Tunit power chip pulling a Kimberley Kamper with "the lot".

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Thanks Bruce, looks like the drivers side bottom airbag mount isn't up to the task, especially when towing. I might look into having mine gusseted also.
                              "Sure it’s quiet, for a diesel, but that’s like being well-behaved… for a murderer."- Jeremy Clarkson

                              Comment

                              canli bahis siteleri bahis siteleri ecebet.net
                              mencisport.com
                              antalya escort
                              tsyd.org deneme bonusu veren siteler
                              deneme bonusu veren siteler
                              gaziantep escort
                              gaziantep escort
                              asyabahis maltcasino olabahis olabahis
                              erotik film izle Rus escort gaziantep rus escort
                              atasehir escort tuzla escort
                              sikis sex hatti
                              en iyi casino siteleri
                              deneme bonusu veren siteler
                              casibom
                              deneme bonusu veren siteler
                              deneme bonusu veren siteler
                              betticket istanbulbahis
                              Working...
                              X