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  • Koni RAID's

    Hi Folks,

    Anyone have Koni RAID's installed on their 150 ? I have used Koni
    in the past but not the big RAIDs, any feedback would be great.

    Thanks
    Rob

    Silver 2010 Prado 150 TD Manual, BFG AT 256/65's, ARB Deluxe bar, Tradesman Roof Rack, Warn XP9500 winch.

  • #2
    There s a current thread on this topic here http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...ni-vs-Bilstein
    [B]Steve[/B]

    2010 Silver GXL Prado 150, D4D Auto, with a few non standard bits

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    • #3
      Hey,

      The RAIDS give a smooth ride, however, keep in mind if you are going to lift your Prado on the 88/90 RAIDS, you will have limited droop due to the limited travel of the RAIDS, see here;

      http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...-Prado-120-IFS

      You won't be able to lift past 1" as you'll run out of droop and be topping out on sharp corners/roundabouts/speedbumps etc.

      Best

      Mark
      2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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      • #4
        I thought the 88/90 were for use with lifts upto 55mm?
        HKB Electronics, manufacturer of the Alternator Voltage Booster, Silver 2008 D4D,Lifted,Underbody protection, Alternator Voltage Booster, Tiger Z winch, Lightforce DL, Air Horns, Tanami Drawers, Drop down fridge slide, Outback cargo barriers, Rotronics dual Battery system, Polaris GPS, HF/UHF/VHF, Radio speaker combiner, Long ranger water tank, Diff breathers, Inverter, Snorkel and others

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        • #5
          Originally posted by LeighW View Post
          I thought the 88/90 were for use with lifts upto 55mm?
          Hey Leigh,

          That's what we all used to think until I discovered the open-closed lengths for the 88-1712 strut in the suspension database were incorrect.

          Upon measuring, it turned out to have minimal travel, 431-548mm = 117mm travel. This is actually shorter than the OEM strut travel.

          The 88-1712 strut is the shortest strut available for the 120 series.

          Further discussions with Koni revealed that they insist on keeping their struts close to OEM lengths to avoid high CV angles/potential CV damage. I think there's also a "general" statement somewhere on their website about limiting suspension travel to avoid damaging other suspension components. This is Koni policy.

          Same problem in the rear, the 90-5404 shock has significantly shorter travel than OEM.

          As such, lifting on the short travel struts/shocks is not advisable, at least not beyond 1" if you want to keep a reasonable amount of droop.

          It's a shame, as I would definitely have tried the RAIDS if they had long travel.

          Best

          Mark
          2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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          • #6
            Hey,

            This is where I discussed the 88-1712 strut in the Suspension Database thread, post #144-146 discusses the problem.

            http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...atabase/page10

            The original closed-open lengths for 88-1712 in the database were 420-563mm, and this was also what Koni (Melbourne) had in their database, but it was a mile out, and the real dimensions are 431-548mm.

            Koni (Melbourne) have also corrected this in their database.

            Best

            Mark
            2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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            • #7
              Im running the 1712'S in the front and the 82 series 80 series cruiser shocks in the rear. Springs are ktfr101t and ktpr102. I find the koni shocks nice, if you have access to a capricorn account they are worth it. The ride is very comfortable, for me coming from ome nitro sport. I dont find travel a problem, rears are great when camper is attached, pretty good when empty as well. Fronts give a nice ride too. Mine are still on the factory softest setting. Did the gibb river road last year with no issues of overheating.

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              • #8
                Hey leethal,

                The Konis have a good reputation for keeping cool on corrugations, there was a comparison test out on the Canning, and the RAIDS were coolest.

                The 82-2386 has nice travel for the rear of the Prado, 373-617mm. Similar for the 88-1689, 372-612mm.

                You will have limited droop on the front with the 88-1712 and running on lifted Kings. Many users have reported top-outs on short travel struts, but mostly with softer springs. The stiffer Kings you're running may mask the top-outs, similar to Bilstein 712's with Kings.

                Do you have droop and ride height measurements for your front end? Not many droop figures around for the Konis!

                Best

                Mark
                2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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                • #9
                  Getting increasingly confused. I'm really keen on the Konis, was looking at the 82s front and back, but it seems that a better combo is 88 front and 82 back? Is this really any better than 82s at both ends since only the front will be RAID and you'll still get earlier fade at the back.

                  I don't have a bull bar but do regular towing and I only hit really bad corrugated roads occasionally. Ideally I'd like to end up with no more than 1" lift and it sounds like the King KTFR-101/KTRR-102 combo will give this? I saw mention of matching front rear spring rates in another thread which makes sense.

                  Have I got all this right and is there a better spring option?
                  [B]Steve[/B]

                  2010 Silver GXL Prado 150, D4D Auto, with a few non standard bits

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                  • #10
                    Well I did the Anne Beadell and all the Beadel roads last year, around 10000KM's with
                    Konis on a 2 inch lift and no issues.

                    Told friend about this post, he has a Prado with a 2 inch lift his response was:

                    "Well what can I say ..............

                    140,000 km on the worst roads in the country
                    Kalumburu twice
                    Canning Stork Route
                    Plenty Highway
                    Simpson Desert
                    Tanami Track
                    Ann Beadell
                    Gunbarrell twice
                    Telegraph Track
                    Peninsula Development Road
                    and lots more in between

                    I not sure about travel but as far as travelling goes I think the raids have well and truly proved themselves.
                    I am more than happy with the performance of the Koni / King combination."
                    HKB Electronics, manufacturer of the Alternator Voltage Booster, Silver 2008 D4D,Lifted,Underbody protection, Alternator Voltage Booster, Tiger Z winch, Lightforce DL, Air Horns, Tanami Drawers, Drop down fridge slide, Outback cargo barriers, Rotronics dual Battery system, Polaris GPS, HF/UHF/VHF, Radio speaker combiner, Long ranger water tank, Diff breathers, Inverter, Snorkel and others

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LeighW View Post
                      I not sure about travel but as far as travelling goes I think the raids have well and truly proved themselves. I am more than happy with the performance of the Koni / King combination."
                      Hey Leigh,

                      I mentioned in post #8 that the Konis have a good reputation on corrugations, in particular the RAIDS.

                      Many of those "worst roads in the country" have also been driven with Prados on factory suspension. The RAIDS have less suspension travel than the factory geometry.

                      I wouldn't discourage anyone from driving on RAID/Kings combinations, and I've only mentioned that they should be aware of the limited suspension travel of the Konis RAIDS and the effects of short travel struts/shocks in lifted vehicles.

                      There are numerous reports here on PP of topping out short travel struts. I'll say it again, lifting on short travel struts/shocks is not advisable, at least not beyond 1" if you want to keep a reasonable amount of droop.

                      You also mentioned that your friend is "not sure about travel", so perhaps he is not aware that his struts and shocks are topping out.

                      While not as bad as bumping out your struts/shocks, repetitive top outs will shorten the life of your struts/shocks, internal wear and tear, worn bushes etc. After 140,000km, what is the valving like on the RAIDS?

                      If you compared similar travel OEM type replacements struts/shocks and travelled over the "worst roads in the country" and put 140,000km on them (unlikely they'll get that far), they would not be as good as the RAIDS, as they are all smaller in diameter and contain less oil and will fade out before the Koni RAIDS.

                      Read my thoughts in post#2 in this thread;

                      http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...ni-vs-Bilstein

                      The RAIDS have limited suspension travel that makes them ideally suited as OEM replacements.

                      Lifting on the RAIDS and ending up with limited droop may not bother everyone, but it will stop some from trying it.

                      Best

                      Mark
                      2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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                      • #12
                        True, my friend has also done a lot of high country stuff but like me nothing requiring
                        extreme articulation, if your going rock crawling your going to be continaully
                        hitting the travel stops then the Konis may not the best choice.
                        HKB Electronics, manufacturer of the Alternator Voltage Booster, Silver 2008 D4D,Lifted,Underbody protection, Alternator Voltage Booster, Tiger Z winch, Lightforce DL, Air Horns, Tanami Drawers, Drop down fridge slide, Outback cargo barriers, Rotronics dual Battery system, Polaris GPS, HF/UHF/VHF, Radio speaker combiner, Long ranger water tank, Diff breathers, Inverter, Snorkel and others

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Whitey View Post
                          Hey leethal,

                          The Konis have a good reputation for keeping cool on corrugations, there was a comparison test out on the Canning, and the RAIDS were coolest.

                          The 82-2386 has nice travel for the rear of the Prado, 373-617mm. Similar for the 88-1689, 372-612mm.

                          You will have limited droop on the front with the 88-1712 and running on lifted Kings. Many users have reported top-outs on short travel struts, but mostly with softer springs. The stiffer Kings you're running may mask the top-outs, similar to Bilstein 712's with Kings.

                          Do you have droop and ride height measurements for your front end? Not many droop figures around for the Konis!

                          Best

                          Mark
                          Coming from a front with 25mm droop i dont notice any toping out, my front measurements are 795 at resting and 855 at full droop.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by LeighW View Post
                            True, my friend has also done a lot of high country stuff but like me nothing requiring
                            extreme articulation, if your going rock crawling your going to be continaully
                            hitting the travel stops then the Konis may not the best choice.
                            Hey Leigh,

                            Well maybe not, maybe the RAIDS can really take a beating! Having 140,000km worth of corrugations will still have done plenty of top-outs, does your friend think they still "feel" the same? Hard to know just on feeling alone, but I'd love to see what the RAIDS look like inside after that many km, and what their general condition is. What are the shaft seals like, any leaks? Koni bushes don't seem to last as long as others, what do they look like?

                            Doing 140,000km on one set of struts/shocks is impressive!

                            There are not many who run such a large diameter strut/shock, which makes the RAIDS unique among all the other manufacturers. Judging from how hard it is to pull the shaft out of an 88-1712, I'm guessing they don't run as much nitrogen pressure, and rely more on a much larger oil capacity to prevent cavitation and fading. Not too much detailed info around to be had about Konis....very hard company to get detailed information from.

                            I've been behind a 120 series Prado with RAID/Kings, and seen plenty of air underneath the rear wheels when hitting bumps (due to limited travel), which might have stuffed smaller diameter shocks. The RAIDS can really take a beating.

                            I'm sure you'll see plenty of lifted wheels (both front and rear) if you hit the rocks/difficult washed out tracks (Tele track etc.) if you get into situations with the RAID/King combo where the Prado gets easily flexed out, but I don't think you need to worry, the RAIDS can take it!

                            You can look at similar sized 2.5" diameter FOX or King shocks. You will get more travel than the RAIDS, but you'll also pay a lot more bucks.

                            In that respect, at 2K, the RAIDS are probably one of the best bang for buck struts/shocks you can put on your 120, and judging by Leigh and his friend, you can put some serious km on them!

                            Best

                            Mark
                            2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by krypto View Post
                              Getting increasingly confused. I'm really keen on the Konis, was looking at the 82s front and back, but it seems that a better combo is 88 front and 82 back? Is this really any better than 82s at both ends since only the front will be RAID and you'll still get earlier fade at the back.

                              I don't have a bull bar but do regular towing and I only hit really bad corrugated roads occasionally. Ideally I'd like to end up with no more than 1" lift and it sounds like the King KTFR-101/KTRR-102 combo will give this? I saw mention of matching front rear spring rates in another thread which makes sense.

                              Have I got all this right and is there a better spring option?
                              Hey krypto,

                              When I put the RAIDS on my mates 120, I originally got 88-1712/88-1689, but this was when the incorrect closed-open lengths were in the suspension database for the 88-1712. We were both a bit disappointed that the front struts had very limited travel, but my friends Prado has a sovereign bar, and with 88-1712/KTFR-101 on the front, his ride height ended up at 0.8" lift, and he still had 70mm of droop, so I told him to keep the 80 series shock in the rear and that it would all be ok.

                              He then decided bugger it he wanted RAIDS all round, so he ditched the long travel 80 series rears and went for 90-5404, even though we both knew they were limited travel.

                              His Prado is an around town Prado only, and it doesn't go off road, so he's never been worried about the limited travel. As you can see from Leigh and friends, the limited travel doesn't seem to have been an issue, and 140,000km of offroad driving on one set of struts/shocks is very impressive stuff.

                              You could do the 88 front/82 rear combo, and instead use the KTFS-101 to keep the front lift down to around 10-15mm. That way you'll keep decent front droop and very nice travel in the rear.

                              There's unfortunately no way to avoid the mismatch in front/rear suspension frequency ratio by running Kings, but if you're mainly on-road you prolly won't notice much in the way of pitch problems.

                              Best

                              Mark
                              2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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