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  • carco
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    I knocked up this pump using my spare ATTESA pump from my 32 GTR. Worked great.
    Gave the trany. about 15L of Castrol full synthetic FE flush and a new filter kit.
    No difference as far as I can feel, still changes gears as smoothly as ever.
    Old oil was very dark.
    I'll do it all again in maybe 50,000k.

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  • Nick Stone
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    Hi everyone.
    Can anyone recommend a decent auto trans mechanic in Adelaide? Need to get a trans cooler and a full flush done. Thanks in advance

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  • vendetta6
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    So I just did it these last few days.... Got the Penrite Full Synthetic 12L of it about $145.00 Supposedly it goes on sale at Supercheap... So after reading how to do it on a Landcruiser 200, i thought I would get into it on the Prado 150 2009 Kakadu. 5SP AUTO
    List of thing to have.
    -12v Fluid pump from ebay
    -Working Techstream
    -1/2 breaker bar / torque wrench
    -good quality sockets 24mm(fill), 14mm(drain) and 5mmHEX(CHECK)
    -5m of 10mm hose from Bunnings for pump could probably get away with less
    -new gaskets for drain and check plugs (Toyota)
    -12L of Penrite LV ATF (get the good stuff, it has a flash point 50C above Toyota WS and is full synthetic WS approved) Supercheap auto about $48.00 for 4L


    Procedure
    1. Ok, so crack the fill plug(24mm) on the drivers side way above on the side of the tranny case. My crappy sockets kept slipping, so I bought a Kinchrome 24mm LokOn socket and that helped big time in breaking it. I also bought a long torque wrench so I could get some leverage on it… Highly recommend both, it made the job easy. Crack the fill plug first so that if the drain plug wont come out, or your strip it then at least you can get ATF back in case.
    2. Get 2 5L measured jugs, I got mine from Bunnings $18 bucks each… One is for clean, and one is for dirty fluid. Just so you don’t mix it up and you can see the amounts you are draining and putting back in with the pump. Put DIRTY under drain plug (not check), and crack it. You should get about 3.1L of dirty ATF. Do it hot or cold I don’t think it matters right now.
    3. Connect 12volt fluid pump up to battery. Pull clean fluid through pump into dirty Jug (200ML.) Just to clean pump and lines. I had to buy 10mm hose from Bunnings, it was in the garden hose section ($5.00) for 5m. Now pump 3.1L or whatever you drained in step 2 back into the tranny. Through the 24mm WS plug hold on side of tranny

    4. Refit tranny fill plug and drain plug. Go for a 5-10 minute drive and try to hit all gears, Sport mode 1-5 Reverse N P.
    5. Crack Fill plug again and drain 1 more time. ~3.1 L again.. It should look cleaner and redder now.
    6. Fill amount that you just Drained with pump. Close Fill and Drain Plugs.
    7. Crack 5mm Check plug and don’t drain just yet. This is where it get interesting.
    8. Get your techstream plugged into your running Prado. Check engine data, AT fluid temps must be between 46C and 56C to get perfect level. I drove to ALDI and back, then techstreamed 3 times and in total had to wait about 1.5hours to go from 88C to 57C.
    9. IMPORTANT. CAR MUST BE IDLING. A/C OFF Get dirty fluid jug and place under check plug. Crack check plug and drain into dirty jug until it trickles in. Tighten check plug(20nm) with new gasket and you are done. CAR MUST BE IN PARK IDLINGI ended up doing 3 drain and fills using 9.4L of ATF… I think 2 drain and fills would be fine. Also I have basic mechanical skills, so this took me all day…. Just get the right tools and save time… I didn’t have vehicle running when I did my final check plug and it drained 1.7L out.. Ouch… Got on the Web and found the 5speed is Called “A750F” Transmission, and voila the procedure was with the car running… Oh well rookie mistake but my transmission is now done for a good 60,000km.




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  • Foxy48
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    Br ,Mate I know what you mean .I have added a external K&N oil filter (Z9 equivalent) on the out line going to the radiator with a temp sensor on the same line. After the radiator on the return line I have put a 20k BTU cooler,(having to add extra oil to compensate) so I have never seen the light come on, so to speak. I used to change (Flush) every 50K in my old 4x4 and that saw it live a bit longer. I'm with you, we see the need to "Flush", Unfortunately or not I like to have a go but with full info. Maybe living dangerously, uuummmmmm I think maybe your words are wiser, Cheers Foxy

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  • brogers
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    Hi Foxy, I'm not certain, but it all sounds like a transmission "flush" as you say, but from what I have been told by others, an automatic transmission service involves changing the auto transmission filter and a fluid flush as well....and there is quite a bit to it apparently...so I'm with "drop bear"..sit in the waiting room for my girl to have her operation by a motor surgeon...unfortunately medicare doesn't cover the costs ...no bulk billing mechanics up our way

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  • Foxy48
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    Sorry guys .Brogers, My apologies still the same question ? Cheers Foxy

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  • Foxy48
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    Hi ithommo, Mate ,Is what you have recommended what I would call a "flush"? I'm due for my 60K service just before we head to Q from SA about June July towing a 19 foot 6" van and I want to do a flush .I have done one before on my old 4x4 by taking off the return line and just adding the required amount but that is after draining the trans and filter change. I certainly want to do the torque as well as there is residue oil in there and yes it does take more oil but I can be sure it has fresh oil right through the trans once it is done ?? Am I overly optimistic ??

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  • ithommo
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    Gotta agree drop bear!
    The defination of modern technology, "making simple thing complcated"!!

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  • drop bear
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    Originally posted by brogers View Post
    I'm absolutely with you Thommo, its not a DIY unless you have the knowledge, experience, eqiupment and the specific Toyota Technical Documents.

    Here is some info from the toyota Technichal Documenton the auto transmission.

    Note:
    Use of Toyota Genuine ATF WS is recommended.

    Set the vehicle on a lift so that the vehicle is kept level when it is lifted up (make sure that the tilt angle from the front to rear of the vehicle is within +/-1°).

    Remove drain plug and dain ATF
    Temporarily reinstall drain plug and old gasket
    Remove refill plug and overflow plug
    Add fluid to the refill hole until it flows out of the overflow plug hole.
    Wait until the fluid flow slows and only drops come out.
    Temporarily install the gasket and overflow plug
    Add fluid to the refill hole using the amount of fluid specified for removal and installation of the oil pan (1.7litres)
    Temporarily install the gasket and refill plug to avoid fluid spillage
    Ensure A/C is switched off
    Slowly move the shift lever from P to S, and then change the gear from 1st to 5th. Then back to P
    Allow the engine to idle for 30 seconds to warm it up.
    Turn the engine switch off
    Repeat ALL the steps above (ie lift vehicle, drain, fill, slightly overfill, warm up and drain)
    Left vehicle again and drain ATF
    Install a new gasket and the drain plug (Torque to 20Nm)

    Remove the refill plug and overflow plug

    Add fluid to the refill hole until it flows out of the overflow plug hole.
    Wait until the fluid flow slows and only drops come out
    Temporarily install the gasket and overflow plug.
    Add fluid to the refill hole using the amount of fluid specified for removal and installation of the oil pan. (1.7)
    Temporarily install the gasket and refill plug to avoid fluid spillage.
    Lower the vehicle.

    (and now, if you are not already confused, it starts to get tricky, because the ATF level needs to be adjusted correctly! ...)

    Start engine to circulate ATF
    Enter "ATF temperature detection mode" and "idle speed control mode" and adjust fluid temperature to specified temp.
    And they have detailed info on how to do this...yikes)
    Note: Vehicle MUST be kept horizontal.
    Drain excess fluid once specified temp has been reached, else add fluid if no fluid can be drained from the overflow plug.
    Keep overflow plug open until only drops come out.
    Note: It is necessary to change to temperature detection mode in order to idle the vehicle appropriately.
    (and thats a whole other matter of complexity from what I can see)
    The ATF temperature must be between 40 and 45°C (104 and 113°F) to accurately check the fluid level.

    Anyway, thats SOME of the important information from the Toyota Tech Doc for the 150 Prado. And thats not even addressing the transmission filter replacement.

    Anyone else with specific knowledge of servicing the Prado transmission have any comments?

    So in a nutshell, all I'm seeing is:
    Step 1: unfold chair
    Step 2: select coldest can
    Step 3: sit, crack and consume
    Step 4: let some other bugger stuff/fix it for you. What ever happened to good old red motors with 3 speed autos

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  • ithommo
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    Thanks again Brogers:

    BLOODY HELL!!!

    What a process!
    If all this is the procedure, it sounds like a Toyota service job only!!

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  • brogers
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    I'm absolutely with you Thommo, its not a DIY unless you have the knowledge, experience, eqiupment and the specific Toyota Technical Documents.

    Here is some info from the toyota Technichal Documenton the auto transmission.

    Note:
    Use of Toyota Genuine ATF WS is recommended.

    Set the vehicle on a lift so that the vehicle is kept level when it is lifted up (make sure that the tilt angle from the front to rear of the vehicle is within +/-1°).

    Remove drain plug and dain ATF
    Temporarily reinstall drain plug and old gasket
    Remove refill plug and overflow plug
    Add fluid to the refill hole until it flows out of the overflow plug hole.
    Wait until the fluid flow slows and only drops come out.
    Temporarily install the gasket and overflow plug
    Add fluid to the refill hole using the amount of fluid specified for removal and installation of the oil pan (1.7litres)
    Temporarily install the gasket and refill plug to avoid fluid spillage
    Ensure A/C is switched off
    Slowly move the shift lever from P to S, and then change the gear from 1st to 5th. Then back to P
    Allow the engine to idle for 30 seconds to warm it up.
    Turn the engine switch off
    Repeat ALL the steps above (ie lift vehicle, drain, fill, slightly overfill, warm up and drain)
    Left vehicle again and drain ATF
    Install a new gasket and the drain plug (Torque to 20Nm)

    Remove the refill plug and overflow plug

    Add fluid to the refill hole until it flows out of the overflow plug hole.
    Wait until the fluid flow slows and only drops come out
    Temporarily install the gasket and overflow plug.
    Add fluid to the refill hole using the amount of fluid specified for removal and installation of the oil pan. (1.7)
    Temporarily install the gasket and refill plug to avoid fluid spillage.
    Lower the vehicle.

    (and now, if you are not already confused, it starts to get tricky, because the ATF level needs to be adjusted correctly! ...)

    Start engine to circulate ATF
    Enter "ATF temperature detection mode" and "idle speed control mode" and adjust fluid temperature to specified temp.
    And they have detailed info on how to do this...yikes)
    Note: Vehicle MUST be kept horizontal.
    Drain excess fluid once specified temp has been reached, else add fluid if no fluid can be drained from the overflow plug.
    Keep overflow plug open until only drops come out.
    Note: It is necessary to change to temperature detection mode in order to idle the vehicle appropriately.
    (and thats a whole other matter of complexity from what I can see)
    The ATF temperature must be between 40 and 45°C (104 and 113°F) to accurately check the fluid level.

    Anyway, thats SOME of the important information from the Toyota Tech Doc for the 150 Prado. And thats not even addressing the transmission filter replacement.

    Anyone else with specific knowledge of servicing the Prado transmission have any comments?
    Last edited by brogers; 11-02-2013, 07:34 AM.

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  • ithommo
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    Brogers - thanks for the reply.

    Have no intention of a DIY service - just wondering what is involved, and if necessary to alert my service man if he is doubtfull.
    Any further information you (or anyone else) can give would be greatly appreciated!

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  • brogers
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    Originally posted by ithommo View Post
    Have got a 2010 VX diesel just ticked over 70000 klm.
    What's involved it an auto transmission service?
    Is it just a change of oil and filter - or is there more involved?
    There is nothing apparantely wrong with the transmission, - it would be only preventitive maintaintance.
    hi thommo,

    I'm told that a regular transmission service involves a fluid and transmisson filter change....approx $220 but, the catch for me is that to fill the transmission to the correct level of new fluid takes a little bit of careful thought and knowledge of the pado transmission ...because...in very shortened terms (and I am certain that its not complete, but the toyota service manual seems to make a big deal of it), as you actually need to initially over fill the transmission slightly, get the transmission up to a specified operational temerature, and then drain the overfilled fluid until it just stops to run out the overfill plug...so its easy to get the wrong volume installed, as far as I can understand it. Also, it would be easy to have it at the worng temperature, and if you don't know what you are doing you can just get it all wrong...so I have absolutely decided thats its not a DIY job for me, but likewise, I am also not prepared to just let any auto service centre do it unless they have specific knowldge & experience of the prado transmission servicing detals..else preventative maintenance could become an expensive repair perhaps? If I can, I'll post some of the specific details from the service manual just so others can see whats involved with re-filling the transmission.

    Any further thoughts/comments from those who knows a lot more about the 150 Prado transmission than I is always welcome and sought?
    Last edited by brogers; 11-02-2013, 07:32 AM.

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  • ithommo
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    Have got a 2010 VX diesel just ticked over 70000 klm.
    What's involved it an auto transmission service?
    Is it just a change of oil and filter - or is there more involved?
    There is nothing apparantely wrong with the transmission, - it would be only preventitive maintaintance.
    Last edited by ithommo; 10-02-2013, 11:39 AM.

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  • LargeInAPrado
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    Toyota recommend 80,000k fluid replacement in the auto if you do any of the following
    'drive on rough, muddy or snow covered roads'
    'drive on dusty roads'
    'towing trailers caravans or using roof top carriers'
    'stop start city or suburban driving'

    i removed the others but im sure you can tick all of the above, its what they call 'severe conditions' its in the warranty and service manual if your interested... I personally would call it normal driving.

    I change mine every 40k and recommend my customers do the same, certainly will prolong the life of the transmission. a couple of hundred vs a 6k tranny rebuild i know what i would prefer.

    They are only semi synthetic basestock oils used in the transmissions and with heat cycling etc they will break down over time they certainly wont last for 'life' whatever that means in manufacturers terms. Has it ever been checked? If it has how? a colour check? Pretty thorough check that isnt it. Just because it looks clean doesnt mean it has anywhere near the properties it had when it was put into the transmission.

    Take JSS's lead and get it done 100k is too long

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