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  • #16
    I totally agree that petrol V6 is simpler and has less to go wrong. My Kluger V6 (now with my son) is at 190,000 with no signs of any issues and running as well as ever. You also see very few Prado V6 engine issues reported. I will have to wait quite a while to report on long term running for my 2.8 Prado which I purchased to enjoy long distance touring with some light off road and probable light towing, which is where its economy and low down pulling power should do well. Its performance is actually better than I expected with good response at low speeds (incl. city driving) and on country roads. I agree that it does loose out at higher speeds where you can't drop a couple of gears and get some top end power like the V6.

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    • #17
      Each to their own. Many good reasons for both.

      I prefer the drive of turbo.
      More fuel efficient, which gives better range, & safer (safety) to carry extra fuel (for those who have a Fourby to use it).
      Diesel is better for the deep water crossings. Recently had a petrol out with the real 4bys, but it was running on less cylinders a bit. Better than not having a Fourby at all I guess. Diesel engine braking & controlled torque is a win offroad.
      Even with injector swap outs they are still cheaper to run. We have a few petrol in the crew who can demonstrate nearly double fuel use offroad in convoy.
      But, they are dearer to buy, so you have to do sums on length of ownership & Klm's per year.
      The v6 is good, there must be a reason why there's 10% petrols lol.......
      90% diesels, wonder why........

      The main thing is their toyotas, the engineering is really good.
      Can't go Wrong either way, just what suits you.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Anth120playdo View Post
        Each to their own. Many good reasons for both.
        Hey Anth,

        You claim many good reasons for both.

        In your post I count 6 reasons in favor of the diesel, 1 not in favor.

        Instead of continually plugging the benefits of the diesel, how about some unambiguous plugging of the benefits of the petrol?

        You claim diesels are still cheaper to run even with injector swap outs, and to do your sums on length of ownership. Which analysis is this and what number crunching is it that you stand by? I would say that realistically this is marginal at best, and in the order of a few hundred dollars a year in favor of the diesel owner. I can provide my own cost analysis based on historical fuel prices and average fuel consumption, can you?

        I could say things comparing the petrol to the diesel which makes the diesel look poor. Anyone can do this.

        The 1KD-FTV has a lengthy history of injector problems, and has been costly to the tune of $10-20000 rebuild cost for some owners. This has happened not just once or twice. It is an ongoing issue. How many 1GR-FE rebuild threads have you read to the same $10-20000 rebuild cost?

        You lol at the minor percentage of petrol owners. What is the proportion of 1KD-FTV rebuilds compared to 1GR-FE rebuilds?

        I'm pretty sure most of those unlucky 1KD owners who've had to splash out a lot of money for rebuild costs won't be sitting here reading this thinking about the benefits of diesel over those minor petrol owners.

        You've done an incredible job detailing the issues with the 1KD injectors, and you've saved some people a lot of money.

        I would however like to hear your unbiased opinion on why the 1GR-FE is a "good reason", and provide a more balanced perspective to this very tired diesel vs petrol discussion.

        Best

        Mark
        Last edited by Whitey; 16-12-2016, 08:20 PM.
        2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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        • #19
          After owning a few petrol motors I eventually purchased my first diesel 3.4lr 3B it was as slow as a snail, but had unbelievable down low torque idle up any hill.
          Just fell asleep in love with diesels, next donk was a 1vd, no need to talk it up but it is by far the best 4wd motor avalible.

          Now own a 2.8lt Prado and love it. Also have a 3.6lt petrol work car that uses about $ 120 a week in fuel the 1vd was averaging 50!for the same amount of Kms
          I'm not paying for the fuel but if I was I'd hand the car back....

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Phs View Post
            After owning a few petrol motors I eventually purchased my first diesel 3.4lr 3B it was as slow as a snail, but had unbelievable down low torque idle up any hill.
            Just fell asleep in love with diesels, next donk was a 1vd, no need to talk it up but it is by far the best 4wd motor avalible. (if nothing goes wrong with it, you keep it under warranty and never have to do any maintenance yourself on it!)
            There i fixed it for you. The 1VD may be impressive to drive, but it is a crap design in my opinion. Engine bay is tight, starter motor in the valley under the intercooler. Water can pool down in there and cause corrosion of components. The alternator is slung down low and cops all the mud and water and they have a highly-strung high pressure injection system with expensive injectors. These are all things any reliable 4WD diesel should not have. We have a lot of them at work, utes and wagons, in use underground and surface and the LV mechanics don't enjoy working on them! Alternator change after alternator change after we have a lot of rain and the roads turn to slop. Toyota diesels all went down hill after the 1HD-FTE. That engine is the best 4WD diesel in my opinion, just look at the TD 100 series holding their value. The mighty 3B is an awesome bulletproof little engine though. Don't make them like that anymore!
            1979 BJ40
            1992 FZJ80R
            1997 HDJ80R
            2005 GRJ120R

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            • #21
              Sorry mate,
              Can't agree. I travelled 220,000 hard Kms around a lot of Aust in my 1vd
              Saw alot of tracks in Tas that had mud and water up to the windows for hours.
              A regular in the high country occasionally saw extream mud, clay and rock tracks in toolangi and the likes around vic

              When I sold it last year It was still on its factory starter motor and altinator ?
              Yeah I have heard the stories.

              Washing the engine bay at home is a no no as yes the valley gets wet but a short drive It drys out prior to any issues, and I have heard of those with altinator issues being so low, but I saw plenty of mud and was fine, ( you can also buy a water cooled unit ) if you get stung.

              I guess these 2 issue would be annoying for Utes that spend there days underground but I'm not judging it as an underground mine vehicle but as a regular 4wd

              Expensive injectors and fuel system compared to what ??
              All CRD injectors are around the same cost, it's just that it has 8

              If you use decent fuel it's not an issue, even thow all CRDs are in the same boat.

              Sold with 220km on the clock making 170kw @ the rears had been pushing those number for over 100 thou, motor was in great condition......
              there are a fair few with over 600k on them now still fine

              Hands down the best diesel currently avalible

              And then there are the 3rd hand stories
              There are alot of 1vds in service being in both the 200 And 70 and yet there is only a hand full of failure stories.

              Just have a look on Lcool really not many with issue especially considering how many there are on the road
              Last edited by Phs; 18-02-2017, 08:29 PM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Whitey View Post
                Hey Anth,

                You claim many good reasons for both.

                In your post I count 6 reasons in favor of the diesel, 1 not in favor.

                Instead of continually plugging the benefits of the diesel, how about some unambiguous plugging of the benefits of the petrol?

                You claim diesels are still cheaper to run even with injector swap outs, and to do your sums on length of ownership. Which analysis is this and what number crunching is it that you stand by? I would say that realistically this is marginal at best, and in the order of a few hundred dollars a year in favor of the diesel owner. I can provide my own cost analysis based on historical fuel prices and average fuel consumption, can you?

                I could say things comparing the petrol to the diesel which makes the diesel look poor. Anyone can do this.

                The 1KD-FTV has a lengthy history of injector problems, and has been costly to the tune of $10-20000 rebuild cost for some owners. This has happened not just once or twice. It is an ongoing issue. How many 1GR-FE rebuild threads have you read to the same $10-20000 rebuild cost?

                You lol at the minor percentage of petrol owners. What is the proportion of 1KD-FTV rebuilds compared to 1GR-FE rebuilds?

                I'm pretty sure most of those unlucky 1KD owners who've had to splash out a lot of money for rebuild costs won't be sitting here reading this thinking about the benefits of diesel over those minor petrol owners.

                You've done an incredible job detailing the issues with the 1KD injectors, and you've saved some people a lot of money.

                I would however like to hear your unbiased opinion on why the 1GR-FE is a "good reason", and provide a more balanced perspective to this very tired diesel vs petrol discussion.

                Best

                Mark
                Hey Mark,

                Your right, I was just trying to be nice. The 1kd-ftv shits on the thirsty roaring v6.
                IMO a fouby4diesel is the only way to go & that's likely why most of them are diesels.
                If you want a petrol buy a Camry they are great!

                Cheers!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Anth120playdo View Post
                  Hey Mark,

                  Your right, I was just trying to be nice. The 1kd-ftv shits on the thirsty roaring v6.
                  IMO a fouby4diesel is the only way to go & that's likely why most of them are diesels.
                  If you want a petrol buy a Camry they are great!

                  Cheers!
                  Hey Anth,

                  Must be a slow Sunday, that only took you 65 days to respond!

                  ....hardly a roaring thirst comes into it when you really crunch the numbers, plot in post #139;

                  http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...parison/page12

                  ...must be why all those Baja winners have 800hp V8's...real 4wd's!

                  Best

                  Mark
                  2006 GXL petrol auto. ARB deluxe bar x3 HID IPF's, ARB alloy roofrack, ARB awning, BFG A/T, Safari snorkel, Piranha breathers, Pacemaker extractors, custom Ironman 45710FE 436-569mm with Dobinsons 350, custom Ironman 45682FE 383-618mm with Dobinsons 487, Firestone kevlar 60psi airbags, 30mm extended Roadsafe links, AMTS bashplate and recovery points, ABR Flyer with Powersonic AGM.

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                  • #24
                    So who won the debate?
                    D4D. How long will it last?

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                    • #25
                      Ahh diesel is better :-)

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Anth120playdo View Post
                        Ahh diesel is better :-)
                        Unless you prefer petrol.....
                        1997 petrol auto, 430 000km. Still going strong.
                        2004 petrol auto, 233 000km. Cracked dash and no help from Toyota!

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Hogey66 View Post
                          Unless you prefer petrol.....
                          Haha.... And yes petrol is a much better option for most vehicles on the road.
                          All these diesels running around often unnecessarily.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Anth120playdo View Post
                            Haha.... And yes petrol is a much better option for most vehicles on the road.
                            All these diesels running around often unnecessarily.
                            So this must be why some folk decide to run petrol in their diesels
                            New 2015 150s GX 5 seater with floor mats, towbar and a big wish list
                            Previously a 2004 120s 1KZ GX silver manual with stuff
                            before that a 1996 RV6 90S with lots of gear

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                            • #29
                              Petrol and Diesel old issue BUT

                              Originally posted by rags View Post
                              So this must be why some folk decide to run petrol in their diesels
                              But no more than 10%.

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