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  • ‘Door open’ red indicator light issue.

    Hi all,

    Have an issue with the ‘door open’ indicator (red light on the instrument panel) in a 90 series GXL.

    The red ‘door open’ indicator light displays incorrectly (when all doors are definitely shut), in the following circumstances:
    • Immediately after unlocking the car’s doors via the ‘unlock’ button on the remote central locking fob - the red indicator will remain illuminated until I get in the car, close the doors and turn on the ignition to accessory or start.
    • After driving, as soon as the ignition is turned off (before any doors are opened).



    In both of the above cases, pressing ‘lock’ on the remote central locking fob locks the doors and the red ‘door open’ indicator light goes out.


    Info that might be helpful;
    The remote central locking is a Viper 211HV installation (I had this done as I’m not an auto-electrician by any means!) - the issue was not present after the installation was initially done. Also to note, if a door is actually open and I press ‘lock’ on the central locking fob, the doors lock but the red ‘door open’ indicator correctly stays illuminated.

    Any ideas or suggestions would be great.
    Cheers

  • #2
    Sounds like its getting feedback from the alarm unit. Wired incorrectly perhaps?

    What happens if you don't use the alarm and open the door without remote (Key) does it alter how it works?

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    • #3
      Give the back door a BIG slam and see if things improve.

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      • #4
        Give the back door a BIG slam and see if things improve.
        LOL that is what I would have have done strait up .

        Would it have worked ?Ya never know

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Piggy View Post
          What happens if you don't use the alarm and open the door without remote (Key) does it alter how it works?
          Thanks for the replies,
          Re this suggestion of using the key to lock/unlock the central locking - things work correctly when unlocking by using the key in the door.
          Interestingly, if I unlock the central locking via the key in the door, the doors all unlock correctly and the 'door open' light does not appear - but if I then press 'unlock' on the remote central locking fob (still without physically opening a door), the 'door open' light suddenly appears!


          Something similar occurs after driving then turning the car off - I will have the 'door open' light illuminated when I turn off the ignition - if I then get out of the car, check all doors are correctly shut, I get different result locking the central via the key in the door vs via the remote central fob:
          - locking via the key in the door; locks the central but the 'door open' light remains illuminated.
          - locking via the fob button; locks the central and the 'door open' light extinguishes.

          Is this likely a problem with the way the remote central locking unit was installed? (its a Viper 211HV installation).


          Slamming the back door didn't change the issue at all, just woke up the neighbours.

          Cheers

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          • #6
            Slamming the back door didn't change the issue at all, just woke up the neighbors.
            lol

            So the manually applied lock works correctly and the electronic does not. even the key operated system is electronic . Interesting problem , but not a fun one as as you have to always remember to keep the internal lights off as you my find yourself with a flat battery and annoying that light in the dash. Its times like these when i have to scatch my head for days i would go visit the auto electrician....

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            • #7
              Yep. Alarm sounds like it has been installed incorrectly.
              I'd also check that it doesn't have some programmable delay for an exit light or something that's programmed wrong. And maybe wired wrong too.

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              • #8
                Reason I suggested to slam the back door is all the locks have to be shut or the system will fault and the back door is the worst offender. You think it's shut but often it's not quite.

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                • #9
                  Viper alarm expert here! I know exactly what is going on! Whoever did the install was trying to be clever by hooking up the dome light supervision wiring. Downside, they’ve hooked it up directly to the door trigger.

                  It’s a feature designed to turn on the dome light when you first unlock the car before opening the doors and hold it on until you turn on the ignition and then turn it on again when you turn the ignition off... until you lock the car. In either function, it will also turn it off after a 30second timeout period. Like in more modern vehicles.

                  One of two things need to happen. Program this feature OFF or have the installer do it properly. You can do the first one...

                  Having the installer fix his shit requires an additional relay. He needs to cut the wire going to the dome light in half... the end going to light gets connected to pin 30, the other side gets connected to pin87a. Pin87 gets connected to earth. Pin86 gets a constant 12v+ feed and pin85 goes to the Vipers dome light supervision wire which is Black with a White trace. Doing this will have the dome light supervision working correctly without triggering the door open light on the dash. Also stops the headlight buzzer when you turn the key off with the headlights still on.

                  As for reprogramming that feature OFF altogether, google the install manual for your alarm Viper 211 also known as the Viper 412

                  Having it done properly

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                  • #10
                    Viper alarm expert here! I know exactly what is going on! Whoever did the install was trying to be clever by hooking up the dome light supervision wiring. Downside, they’ve hooked it up directly to the door trigger.

                    It’s a feature designed to turn on the dome light when you first unlock the car before opening the doors and hold it on until you turn on the ignition and then turn it on again when you turn the ignition off... until you lock the car. In either function, it will also turn it off after a 30second timeout period. Like in more modern vehicles.

                    One of two things need to happen. Program this feature OFF or have the installer do it properly. You can do the first one...

                    Having the installer fix his shit requires an additional relay. He needs to cut the wire going to the dome light in half... the end going to light gets connected to pin 30, the other side gets connected to pin87a. Pin87 gets connected to earth. Pin86 gets a constant 12v+ feed and pin85 goes to the Vipers dome light supervision wire which is Black with a White trace. Doing this will have the dome light supervision working correctly without triggering the door open light on the dash. Also stops the headlight buzzer when you turn the key off with the headlights still on.

                    As for reprogramming that feature OFF altogether, google the install manual for your alarm Viper 211 also known as the Viper 412

                    Having it done properly is your best bet as it is a nice feature to have... when it’s working properly.
                    RanJ
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                    Last edited by RanJ; 07-11-2017, 11:42 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by RanJ View Post
                      Whoever did the install was trying to be clever by hooking up the dome light supervision wiring. Downside, they’ve hooked it up directly to the door trigger.
                      Bingo!

                      Thanks for the info RanJ. As timing would have it, I took the car back to the installer here in Adelaide a couple of days ago and they did inform me that it is in fact a feature (info which I was about to post here until I saw your reply) - but they did not seem to have the understanding that it could be wired in the manner you have described; to allow the dome light to function independently of the door-open indicator (which would be nice!).

                      Instead, the options they presented me with were:
                      • to leave as is (dome light illuminates with pressing 'unlock' on fob - BUT - a false door-open indication also illuminates) or,
                      • to apparently cut the wire from the Viper system that enables said dome-light functionality, resulting in the dome-lights / door-open indication defaulting back to the factory functionality.


                      I opted to have the wire cut, as the false door-open indication was seriously giving us the shits, especially when the back was full of crap and we wanted to know the door was shut. Now, the false 'door-open' indication is gone, and the dome light functions as per factory (ie; simply obeys the ON / DOOR / OFF position settings on each dome light) - the only functionality the Viper unit is providing is really good remote central locking (seems to work from at least 200m away).

                      Considering the installer was not aware the unit even could be wired in the manner you mentioned, I'm not sure how it would go taking it back there and requesting the wiring you have suggested, despite the installation being under warranty. Out of interest, would the wiring changes you have mentioned take long to do??

                      Cheers

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                      • #12
                        That’s a shame they gave you that schtick mate! I love the feature. What’s actually interesting is that particular unit not being an alarm actually has no input for the alarm at all. So I don’t know why they even bothered to hook it up at all.

                        Did it happen to be done by an Autobarn at all? If so, I can throw my weight around a little, give them a call and run them through what needs to be done so you can take it back in again.

                        Someone else could do it in under an hour. The wiring itself taking about 10 minutes but allowing time to access their wiring after lower dash removal and just figuring out what’s going first. It’s a very rare wiring job that I don’t know of any other installer that does it. I do it to all my customers vehicles including splitting the signal so it does the dome light and headlights as well.

                        It’s not a difficult job at all for someone who is used to using relays and things like that. When I get a moment, I’ll draw the diagram for it and post it up.

                        There is also a simpler method but I’m not the biggest fan of it which simply involves the use of a diode, but it can get hot if left on for long periods unless you have LED interior lights.

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                        • #13
                          Here we go... https://www.the12volt.com/installbay....asp?tid=76270

                          The third post has a diagram showing exactly what I mean.

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