Toyota Fortuner snapped ahead of July 17th launch, some details too

[slipperyskakadu]

They have had injector issues but when we're talking the boost i mentioned. The injectors aren't standard nor is the fuel and ration pumps.

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[Whitey]

A 1kd surely aint going to blow a hole in the piston. I know that for sure. I've seen these things run 70 psi of boost with stock internals. Mine ran 32 psi no holes in piston.

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It's not the boost that does the damage, it's the injectors, see here;

http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...-seats-Egr-Scv

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Mark

[slipperyskakadu]

Nice try, but I think you need to reassess your "three to four times" statement;

1GR-FE (179kW version) develops 48kW and 303Nm at 1500rpm



1KD-FTV develops 55kW and 340Nm at 1500rpm



I'll be more than happy to line you up and watch you disappear in my rear view mirror as your 1KD-FTV flatlines at 3000rpm....and blows a hole in a piston!

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Mark

A 1kd surely aint going to blow a hole in the piston. I know that for sure. I've seen these things run 70 psi of boost with stock internals. Mine ran 32 psi no holes in piston.

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[Whitey]

Yeah the V6 is nice, but both the 3 and 2.8 make three to four times more power at 1500rpm then the V6, hence why they hall ass up to the legal speed limits.

Nice try, but I think you need to reassess your "three to four times" statement;

1GR-FE (179kW version) develops 48kW and 303Nm at 1500rpm



1KD-FTV develops 55kW and 340Nm at 1500rpm



I'll be more than happy to line you up and watch you disappear in my rear view mirror as your 1KD-FTV flatlines at 3000rpm....and blows a hole in a piston!

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Mark

[Symo]

Yeah the V6 is nice, but both the 3 and 2.8 make three to four times more power at 1500rpm then the V6, hence why they hall ass up to the legal speed limits.


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[AJ120]

So I had a quick look at, and a quick test drive of the Fortuner this morning. We also looked at and took an FJ Cruiser for a drive as both are on our list of possible replacements for the missus Rav.

Styling wise the Fortuner is one of the least ugly of the new SUV's on the market IMO, put a bullbar on it to get rid of the horrible front bumper and I am sure the looks could grow on me.

We drove the FJ frist which obviously has the V6 and then the 2.8 Diesel in the Fortuner. We both liked the FJ although sitting in it is very different to most cars. However for me the Diesel in the Fortuner was just so much more driveable. For all that everyone raves about the V6 power I didn't think it was anything to write home about, and the 2.8 had plenty of go and the power seemed to be in the right place, it was effortless up to 110kms/hr.

The ride in the Fortuner was maybe not quite as refined as you might expect, the FJ had a smoother ride, but booth were more than acceptable.

The biggest disappointment with both of them, and also the Kluger which we looked at but didn't drive was the cargo area. We can put our daughters wheel chair into the back of our Rav fully assembled, just pick it up and put it in, no problems at all. With the FJ, Fortuner and the Kluger we had to completely collapse and disassemble it in order for it to fit in. The FJ left the most usable space with the wheel chair folded up and inside.

Probably more confused about what to buy now then before we went looking At least we have a few months to keep looking around.

Cheers Andrew

[rags]

After waiting for its release finally got to see the foretuner today. First impressions were that it is a very solid looking car, however on closer inspection there were a few things that will probably steer me elsewhere.

The third row of seating is important to me with 4 kids. Initially there looked to be good room in the 3rd row however thats comes at the expense of the 2nd row, i do like the adjustable lenght of 2nd row. My biggest concern was that in the GXL there appeared to be no way of closing the tailgate from the inside. The crusade comes with auto tailgate but not the gxl. With many kid drop offs this is a pretty big deal for me as mum or dad would have to get out to close the door every time!
I looked at the everest soon after and even it had a handle to pull the tailgate shut.
As previously stated a few things about the cabin felt cheap and i think the finish could have been better. It is well priced though and generally a great looking car.
Having looked at the everest as well today, i think it looked a lot better and had better options, however you pay for it.
For a seven seater 4wd, i think its still worth the extra money going with a Prado

Austin, may I point one observation I made regarding the Everest, particularly if the seats to rear are being used.
It appears the Everest has been made for the Left hand drive markets in mind as the middle row seat is a 1/3rd 2/3rd split with the 1/3rd seat sliding forward to gain access to the rear but it is located on the right side [drive side] meaning access is via the road side, not real safe with kids.

[austin1985]

After waiting for its release finally got to see the foretuner today. First impressions were that it is a very solid looking car, however on closer inspection there were a few things that will probably steer me elsewhere.

The third row of seating is important to me with 4 kids. Initially there looked to be good room in the 3rd row however thats comes at the expense of the 2nd row, i do like the adjustable lenght of 2nd row. My biggest concern was that in the GXL there appeared to be no way of closing the tailgate from the inside. The crusade comes with auto tailgate but not the gxl. With many kid drop offs this is a pretty big deal for me as mum or dad would have to get out to close the door every time!
I looked at the everest soon after and even it had a handle to pull the tailgate shut.
As previously stated a few things about the cabin felt cheap and i think the finish could have been better. It is well priced though and generally a great looking car.
Having looked at the everest as well today, i think it looked a lot better and had better options, however you pay for it.
For a seven seater 4wd, i think its still worth the extra money going with a Prado

[neilaction]

Neilaction you may be getting a job offer from Drive.com.au if your not careful.
Must say I am a little relieved that your leaning towards a Prado!

Never in doubt Dave.

[Prado_Dave]

Test drove the Fortuner today.

First the good.

It looks good, better than the pictures IMO. Its got a sporty-ness about it.
I saw a graphite Crusade and a blue GXL, and combined with the nice looking 18" wheels, they both looked good.
The interior is more modern, in particular the entertainment system is great.
Leather in the Crusade is just OK, but the tan colour I saw might have reduced its appeal some what.
(I didn't get to see the dark brown alternative)
(I did see the dark brown cloth in the GXL and its better than you think it would be)
If you need the 7 seats then the rear cargo area is limited by the way the 3rd row folds up.
But, if you can do with only 5 seats, then after the 3rd row is removed completely the cargo area is actually more versatile than the Prado.
The 2nd row seats tumble forward and the floor is significantly lower, not completely flat though.
A short wheelbase and high clearance mean the Fortuner should be awesome off-road.
It already looks like its been fitted with a lift kit its that high.
(the genuine bullbar also look a lot more purposeful that the Prado offering, it look almost ARB)
It drove fine although for me I didn't warm to the feel of the steering.
Importantly it didn't feel like a truck.
Power was ample and it was smooth and reasonable quiet.
Possibly not quite as plush as the Prado but pretty good non the less.


Now the not so good.
Its smaller than I was expecting.
Even though I knew it was basically a Hilux, I was still a bit surprised at how compact the cabin is.
That will have its advantages around town and I my wife for one would appreciate its size, or lack there of.
At first the Crusade feels more luxurious than a GXL Prado, but, after 20 minutes or so, and after close inspection, the modern-ness fades with some parts actually looking cheap, almost tacky. Its hard to put my finger on it but it looks a bit try hard. Compared to say the Jeep, which is more or less the same money, the Fortuner doesn't have the same wow factor. Yeh its got fancy stitching and some soft touch panels, but the overall style isn't there. Its only my opinion but it didn't really nail it for me. I'd also be slightly worried that what looks flash now may not wear well when used as a family car.
It doesn't have constant all wheel drive. Around town its rear wheel drive only. Not a biggie but still, could be a factor for some.

Its a good car at the price. Better than Everest? Nup. Not much worse and better value maybe, but IMO the Everest is a better car.
Better than Prado? Nup. Not really a like for like comparison but putting money to one side, IMO the Prado is a better car.

So, the winner is.....for me its the Prado.
I will forgive it its short comings because of its strengths.

For what its worth I think they will sell a bus load of them.
Its priced better than the Everest and its a Toyota.
Younger people will prefer its styling and the soccer mums will appreciate its size.
Its interesting how many Prados are driven daily by the fairer half because the family needs a weekend car, but Dad has say a company car.
I think many will go for the snazzy new Fortuner.

Neilaction you may be getting a job offer from Drive.com.au if your not careful.
Must say I am a little relieved that your leaning towards a Prado!

[neilaction]

thanks neilaction, a great review of the Fortuner. Did you discuss prices and delivery times ?

I was quoted $62k for a Crusade, but I think that is retail.
I didn't get into haggling as I wasn't sure I wanted one.

[craigm]

kluger still is a more 'luxury' interior feel than the FJ or hilux/fortuner so i kinda has it's own little segment; it could be 2 wheel drive, i would think that 1% sold would actually make it offroad...

has anyone seen many offroad?

SAM

Only 1. My BIL who takes it on the beach every now and then. Funnily enough it's a council car....

[juc33_prado]

I would think that the Kluger sales will be negatively affected more with the release of the Fortuner.

kluger still is a more 'luxury' interior feel than the FJ or hilux/fortuner so i kinda has it's own little segment; it could be 2 wheel drive, i would think that 1% sold would actually make it offroad...

has anyone seen many offroad?

SAM

[craigm]

I would think that the Kluger sales will be negatively affected more with the release of the Fortuner.

[juc33_prado]

i think they will struggle to sell any more FJ's with the Fortuner out... especially with the Diesel option

SAMUEL