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  • Prado 150 GXL Roof Limit

    I am in the process of purchasing a 2021 Prado 150 GXL and can not find data for the maximum roof load. Spec sheets for the LC200 show the maximum roof load at 200kgs, see lc200_spec_table_dec2019.pdf (toyota.com.au). However the spec sheet for the Prado does not give this information see prado_spec_data_dec2020.pdf (toyota.com.au). I spoke to the sales representative and he stared at me blankly. Please can someone advise me of this important point, preferably with a link. I wish to put a roof rack on the vehicle and this is important particularly with the recent YouTube posts of Ronny Dahl and Tyler Thompson.

    I've just managed to speak to Dennis at Toyota Australia (10.30am Brisbane time), he says if you purchase the 2 bar Toyota product the rating is 80kg and if you purchase the 3 bar Toyota product the rating is 100kg. He said Toyota do not provide a maximum roof load for the Prado 150, he said if you purchase from say, Rhino, you must accept their recommendations.
    Last edited by Tedx2; 11-02-2021, 10:50 AM.

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    I wouldn’t accept rhino rack statement for sure... it’s rating is for its rack... not for when it’s on prado... if it’s critical for you, you should WRITE to Toyota and ask for the roof rating - that’s is the rating inclusive all mounting hardware.

    don’t forget the rating is generally reduce by 1/3 for offroad.... and really don’t put too much stuff up high... dynamic loading during an emergency swerve could tip you over or when on 2 wheels offroad

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    • #3
      Thanks, yes I did email Toyota with specific questions and they gave me some BS answers without addressing the main query which was what is the 2021 Prado 150 GXL roof load limit. I called my Toyota dealership and they now advise that Toyota only make the 2 rails (80kgs) for the GXL, the 3 rails (100kgs) only fits the GX apparently. I would like to investigate whether removing the 2 pre-fitted bars (they are tied down in 3 places ) off the GXL effectively allows the GX, 3 rails (100kgs) to be fitted. This would give some leeway to be able to fit an RTT which the manufacturers recommend be fitted to 3 rails rather than 2. Can anyone say if removing the pre-fitted bars would allow for the Toyota 3 rails system?

      Interestingly on Rhino's website they give the formula to calculate the offroad limit as; vehicle maximum roof load less rack weight gives on road limit, the formulae then says off road limit is on road limit divided by 1.5. Using this formula and ASSUMING that the Prado has a maximum roof load of SAY 100kgs and the Rhino flat rack weighs 27kgs we have the following; on road limit is 100-27 = 73kgs and offroad limit is 73/1.5 = 48kgs. This came to light in a recent Ronny Dahl and Tyler Thompson YouTube channel exchange. I would imagine there are a huge number of Rhino users that are massively overweight, where would you find an RTT weighing less than 48kgs?

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      • #4
        [QUOTE=Tedx2;n756177].
        Can anyone say if removing the pre-fitted bars would allow for the Toyota 3 rails system?
        Yes this is commonly done.

        where would you find an RTT weighing less than 48kgs?
        I don't understand why people are mounting RTTs onto pioneer platform racks. It's a huge waste of money and the platform takes up the roof load limit. It is also much more difficult to mount a RTT onto a pioneer platform rack.
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        • #5
          Ninja = " Yes this is commonly done"

          Sorry to be pedantic, just want to 100% certain that my understanding is correct before I proceed. What I to do is to remove the pre-fitted rails from my Prado 150 GXL as per the photos below so in reality the roof now becomes the same as the Prado 150 GX.

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          As I understand it there will now be 3 sets of holes where the pre-fitted rails were previously attached. Now I want to use the 3-bar heavy duty roof rack as supplied by Toyota (only available for the GX configuration, see attachment) and fit it into the 3 sets of holes without the need to drill any new holes. My reason for doing this is that I wish to carry an RTT plus solar panel, Toyota rate their 3-bar heavy duty roof rack at 100kg, my RTT also state that the RTT should be mounted on 3 bars. Is this possible?

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          • #6
            Yes, what you have outlined above is exactly how many Prado owners have done it across the 120 and 150 series.

            Which RTT are you getting? One of those streamlined hard-shell ones? Most common RTTs only require 2 cross bars.

            Not sure how you will fit a solar panel once the RTT is fitted across 3 bars unless the panel is mounted onto the shell of the RTT.

            Note that the most cost effective way to get 3 bars is directly from Toyota themselves even though they are rebadged RhinoRack equipment. However, they only come is 1250mm long bars. Getting the next length up at 1375mm gives you a bit more room to fit an awning, shovel holders, Maxtrax holders on the side of the RTT. however, you can't get 1375mm long cross bars from Toyota. You will need to get them from a RhinoRack dealer or second hand. Alternatively, the crossbars are based off Unistrut/Ezystrut.
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            • #7
              Thanks Ninja, I'm looking at either the Alucab or the Bundutop, probably the Alucab. I'm going for a roof mounted, the solar panel will go on top of the RTT, the Alucab can support up to 50kgs, I'll probably only have about 15kgs up there. Yes, I would prefer to go with ones sold by Toyota, even if made by Rhino, at least there can never be warranty issues. I will check on YouTube to see what length I need, I would prefer the shorter ones, but would hope to put an awning up there. Given recent YouTube by Ronny Dahl and Tyler Thompson I'll be very cautious about weight.
              Last edited by Tedx2; 17-02-2021, 10:14 PM.

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              • #8
                The Alucab RTT is 2300(L) x 1400(W) @ 78kg. It looks like you'll need the 1375mm long crossbars at least. I'm a bit puzzled by the hardware arrangements for mounting
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                • #9
                  The Bundutop RTT is 2100(L) x 1350(W) @ 73kg & 7kg ladder. They say preferably 3 crossbars with a minimum width of 1270mm, I would imagine the Toyota ones at 1250mm would suffice. However then there is no place for an awning. I would prefer to purchase through Toyota ie the 1250mm bars in case there is a problem with warranty. You can place 25kgs on the Bundutop.

                  I've seen some criticism of the Alucab on South African forums as they say you are almost forced to purchase Alucab mounting system to enable you to fit the Alucab RTT although it seems some modify the setup to bypass this restriction. The pros with the Alucab RTT is that less can go wrong than with the Bundutop.

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                  • #10
                    Given your concerns with warranty, you'd better get a Toyota RTT. Given that Bundutec wants a minimum of 1270mm, you'll probably be fighting an uphill battle if you fit them on 1250mm cross bars.

                    The Alucab mounting system looks too complicated. I can't see any instructions for the Bundutec RTT. The simplest ones would be the ones under teh commonly seen softcover RTTs where there are 2 tracks under the base and T-bolts hanging from it (a pair for each crossbar) and then a plate connecting the T-bolts under the crossbar.
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                    • #11
                      Also know that most pop-up RTTs will overhang the roof by some 100mm each side. They are also heavy (60-90Kgs) and are a better fit for bigger vehicles like the LC200.
                      I have a fold-out RTT that is 1200mm wide, 55Kg, and is about the right width for my 150 GXL.

                      The Rhino Backbone system is rugged, however it completely blocks side access to the mounting bolts of an RTT.
                      I have to mount the RTT's aluminium mounting rails on the roof rack first, and very accurately, and then mount the RTT on its rails.

                      Plus the off-road weight constraint makes my load (55kg RTT, 15Kg Maxtrax, 5Kg shovel & brackets) just over the limit for a Rhino rack, on a Prado.
                      I can forget about putting any other weight on the roof rack.
                      Last edited by RPP; 18-02-2021, 08:37 PM.

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                      • #12
                        The Eezi Awn Dart has a similar configuration to the Alucab RTT, I wonder if it would suit your roof rack setup any better?

                        I saw this review (https://outdoorexplorer.com.au/best-...nts-australia/) on it and am tossing up between it and a few of the others mentioned here
                        Last edited by BoulderBrack; 02-03-2021, 02:18 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tedx2 View Post
                          I've just managed to speak to Dennis at Toyota Australia (10.30am Brisbane time), he says if you purchase the 2 bar Toyota product the rating is 80kg and if you purchase the 3 bar Toyota product the rating is 100kg. He said Toyota do not provide a maximum roof load for the Prado 150, he said if you purchase from say, Rhino, you must accept their recommendations.
                          thank you, it’s like pulling teeth to find this information out, 85k on a VX and I can’t get exacts am slightly annoyed

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