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  • Sat Nav updates 2020

    I know this is a well worn topic, but it looks like it hasn't come up for a few years, so here goes...
    I bought a late 2011 Prado 150 Kakadu earlier this year, it has the Toyota built in Sat Nav that uses maps on a DVD in a secret slot under the passenger seat. Mine currently says it has maps R18_v7
    On a recent trip up to central Queensland, including some National Park beach drives, it became clear how poor the on board map coverage is - something I expect every Prado owner knows about. It was no use at all when we were trying to work out the difference between camping spots and the road access off the beach, in the end we realised the best solution was to get a phone out and use google maps!
    What I would really like is for the built in Sat Nav screen to be able to show mapping from google maps, or from open street map, or anything that gives decent detail. So of course I have looked in to the map updates you can buy.
    Toyota main dealer will do me a map update for $538 + fitting = $759.25. When I asked the guy how up to date it was and what the map coverage was or what the data source was, all he could tell me was that it's dated December 2017, and it's what they get sent from Japan and they know no more! Truly laughable that they know so little about a product they are happy to charge so much for. Plus ca change.
    The other option appears to be to buy a disc from these guys for $200, which is much better value: http://www.navigationau.com/toyota-l...ion-disks.html
    They at least claim to have V26, a 2020 update.

    But I still have the question as to what is actually on the maps. Has anyone here updated their built in Toyota navigation system map and if so, what is the coverage like? The little booklet that was left in the car says the current map DVD was from WhereIs, so are the latest updates also from them? And if so, do they have all of the detail that you find on https://www.whereis.com/, which uses https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=4/-28.15/133.28, and is therefore about as good as you can get.
    If all they've done is update the main roads to the latest state, that's not massively useful - I can find my own way from Rockie to Brisbane on the Bruce Highway!, but if they now have detail that would actually help when you're driving on small unmarked tracks, it would be a much more worthwhile purchase.
    Keen to hear any thoughts on this.

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    My favourite subject once again !!!
    You may have read some of my posts on the subject of out of date maps with Toyota's locked down software and extortionate prices for a still out of date replacement so I will try not to bore you with too much detail but briefly this was my experience in buying a new GXL in 2015.
    As I sat ready at the dealers in my brand new Prado I entered my address and was amazed to find that the estate built three years previously didn't exist according to the map. I spent the next year arguing with Toyota Australia, consumer protection and a senator but all to no avail so I bought a 10 inch screen android powered Chinese head unit.
    In the present climate I feel bad about recommending anything Chinese but I have been delighted with it. As they are android they can run any GPS program you like, including Google maps etc.
    I use Igo amongst others and up to date maps are readily available on the net. I am not sure what the latest units are like or what is made that fit your vehicle but I expect the price to be far far less than an official Toyota update. My unit was easy to fit, it has good audio as well as the larger screen but the main attraction for me is that I can run whatever software I want not what Toyota deliberately restrict me to.

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    • #3
      My setup:
      Industrial Evolution mount. Super rock-solid (no movement whatsoever): https://www.industrialevolution.com....o-kakadu-2010/
      RAM Tablet mount or similar: https://modestmounts.com.au/collecti...e-ram-hol-un9u
      Your choice of Android/Apple Tablet (I already had a Samsung Tablet).
      Benefit - not locked into any technology. I use the Tablet with Waze (or Google Maps), listen to audio on Spotify, listen to podcasts and use various 4wd navigation apps.
      And the Tablet gets used out of car all of the time. Helps if the tablet has a SIM though - real time traffic etc.
      My 2012 Altitude doesn't have Bluetooth Audio (Assume it's the same as your Kakadu). So I use this Bluetooth Receiver to connect the audio. Works perfectly every time: https://www.tp-link.com/au/home-netw...-device/ha100/
      Prado_The_2nd now on my Third Prado (and 2 Landcruisers before that!)
      2012 Altitude, Petrol
      ARB Deluxe Bar, Towbar, Driving Lights and bits and pieces of other tech.

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      • #4
        I'm with 'JohnLynn' here - I put the Dasaita unit in my 2016 GX and it works very well. Install any GPS/maps & update whenever; there is plenty of good free maps. Also have Acrobat & Word so load up documents & maps before a trip. Depending on the GPS/map software you can plan routes offline and then load route file to the car. The Dasaita unit is about that cost of the out of date Toyota maps 'update'. And load Torque Pro and OBD device to monitor the car too! Gerry

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        • #5
          Originally posted by QLDDuncs View Post
          The other option appears to be to buy a disc from these guys for $200, which is much better value: http://www.navigationau.com/toyota-l...ion-disks.html
          They at least claim to have V26, a 2020 update.
          What is that saying about a deal too good to believe is likely......

          https://www.smartcompany.com.au/busi...atchdog-warns/


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          • #6
            Yes even if it was genuine they probably get the software from the internet for nothing anyway. Most hacked software is readily available to download if you look hard enough.
            Good points above about using torque pro and similar programs on Android that I forgot to mention, like tyre pressure monitors etc. I am not suggesting that anyone do this but it is possible to inhibit the ban on video when in motion and use programs like Vu+ player where anyone with a Vu+ sat box can stream live TV to the car providing the mobile signal is good enough. Cant do that with a standard Toyota head unit.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by JohnLynn View Post
              Yes even if it was genuine they probably get the software from the internet for nothing anyway. Most hacked software is readily available to download if you look hard enough.
              Good points above about using torque pro and similar programs on Android that I forgot to mention, like tyre pressure monitors etc. I am not suggesting that anyone do this but it is possible to inhibit the ban on video when in motion and use programs like Vu+ player where anyone with a Vu+ sat box can stream live TV to the car providing the mobile signal is good enough. Cant do that with a standard Toyota head unit.
              Ah yes, forgot about the video; and I like VLC as a player. Cannot recall exactly, but think my unit had video play enabled by default; but easy enough the toggle the option. Can be fun to impress passengers that you have music videos or movies all on a bigger screen. That's the benefit of standard Android with no real limitations

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              • #9
                Originally posted by Prado_The_2nd View Post
                My setup:
                Industrial Evolution mount. Super rock-solid (no movement whatsoever): https://www.industrialevolution.com....o-kakadu-2010/
                RAM Tablet mount or similar: https://modestmounts.com.au/collecti...e-ram-hol-un9u
                Your choice of Android/Apple Tablet (I already had a Samsung Tablet).
                Benefit - not locked into any technology. I use the Tablet with Waze (or Google Maps), listen to audio on Spotify, listen to podcasts and use various 4wd navigation apps.
                And the Tablet gets used out of car all of the time. Helps if the tablet has a SIM though - real time traffic etc.
                My 2012 Altitude doesn't have Bluetooth Audio (Assume it's the same as your Kakadu). So I use this Bluetooth Receiver to connect the audio. Works perfectly every time: https://www.tp-link.com/au/home-netw...-device/ha100/

                Hey Prado_The_2nd, can you elaborate on the use of the TP Link BlueTooth Audio, does this connect to theUSB of the car audio or just to your tablet?

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                • #10
                  I have the TP Link in my 2010 Kakadu, the TP Link is powered by the USB port in the car, and the 3.5mm audio jack connects to the 3.5mm input in the car (both are located on the same plug). then I pair the TP Link to my phone, select AUX on the radio and I can listen to Spotify through the factory stereo no problems

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                  • #11
                    Thanks BLW.

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                    • #12
                      Any experience with this mob….?

                      Dealer price is stupidly high, as I wish to keep the head unit


                      The other option appears to be to buy a disc from these guys for $200, which is much better value: http://www.navigationau.com/toyota-l...ion-disks.html

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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by orangepeel View Post
                        Any experience with this mob….?

                        Dealer price is stupidly high, as I wish to keep the head unit

                        You didnt read all the posts as one points to them being a scam.

                        https://www.smartcompany.com.au/busi...atchdog-warns/

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                        • #14
                          Appreciate the post!

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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by vf34 View Post


                            Hey Prado_The_2nd, can you elaborate on the use of the TP Link BlueTooth Audio, does this connect to theUSB of the car audio or just to your tablet?
                            Sorry - totally missed the question a year ago! Thanks BLW for responding on my behalf.
                            Exactly as BLW said. The TP Link is plugged into the centre console USB (for power only) and the 3.5mm stereo socket next to it.
                            The TP Link is connected to my tablet via Bluetooth, and I switch to AUX on the stereo to listen to it.
                            Rock solid - connects every time.
                            Prado_The_2nd now on my Third Prado (and 2 Landcruisers before that!)
                            2012 Altitude, Petrol
                            ARB Deluxe Bar, Towbar, Driving Lights and bits and pieces of other tech.

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