Finally... Rear Foglamp Installation!

[mumstruk Member Find all posts View Profile Close mumstruk]

fogs

Hey Damonat maybe it is still in the left hand side behind the glovebox?

[damonat Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close damonat]

my rear bumper is split and damaged so i decided to get better reverse lighting for the night trips.

this was with a trial fitment.
since this i have put a piece of black rubber behind so you can't see through, and no mud comes up from the tyres.
you get the idea

[damonat Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close damonat]

the limit of what i know/remember (which isn't alot) is,
the reverse lights need to have a switch/isolating point,
'only' operate with reverse,
no change to existing regulations (e.g. reflectors and original lighting must not be obscured).
thats it.
trucks have them as reverse or worklights on hitch area, and trailers.

i used narva compac 70 foglights.

so i think i'll be ok, but would be happy to hear anything else i need to do.

[adamrick Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close adamrick]

I couldn't locate the foglight wiring behind dash. so gave up. Now I have the switch and wiring patch harnesses sitting in the shed.

I dunno about the RHD cars, but I would assume the wiring would be the same as here - LHD models??

The wiring for the fog lamp switch was wrapped up with the wiring for the mirror controls. I simply removed the wrapping the expose the white 6 pin connector (with a green line drawn on the connector) for the fog lamp switch. Maybe your plug is wrapped up elsewhere behind that switch panel??

[clifton Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close clifton]

Hi Damonat,
I did the same thing with my Pootrol as they are worse than the PRADO 2ea compact 55W driving lights mounted under the rear bar ran a bit of Heavy wiring to back fitted fuse and relay WALA :!: I then moded the neighbours 100 cruiser, mates Pootrol and other mates Subaru.
I used to back out of U/G supermarket carparks and blokes would ask me were do you get them?

You are on a winner

[mjrandom Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close mjrandom]

OT I know but similar to the additional reversing lights I have put a 55W fog lamp on my trailer to help illuminate nightly reversings. Makes a huge difference being able to see amongst the trees!

[adamrick Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close adamrick]

I made a setup like this for my rodeo, last month when i got my ute; before my operation. It works great..

There's no use in squidging out your number plates anymore...... :shock: :shock: The clever Germans have figured out a way to 'unsqidge' images.... (remember the pedophile who got caught in Thailand...!!) :shock:

[McBAIN Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close McBAIN]

i think it's the reflector that is the problem, and also if i recall i read somewhere that in ADR the fog light can only be in the centre, or to the right of centre, so in theory you'd only be able to connect the right one. but don't quote me on that!

i don't think so.
remeber the hyundai excel.
it has 1 under the DS tail lights in the bumper. it does look c@#p.

that one would meet the centre/right of centre rule... i think it's peugeut's that have them in the centre, most hyundai's have them on the right..

time fore me to do some googling i think...

[McBAIN Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close McBAIN]

aah, found some info.

from HERE

comes this

106 Rear fog lights

(1) A vehicle may have fitted to its rear:

(a) a pair of rear fog lights; or

(b) 1 rear fog light fitted on, or to the right, of the centre of the vehicle.

(2) Subrule (1) (b) applies to a motor bike with an attached sidecar as if the sidecar were not attached.

(3) A rear fog light must:

(a) have its centre:

(i) not over 1.5 metres above ground level; and

(ii) at least 100 millimetres from the centre of a brake light; and

(b) when on, project red light behind the vehicle; and

(c) not use over 27 watts power; and

(d) be wired to a visible device in the vehicle that tells the driver that the rear fog light is operating.

so the centre/right of centre appears to only apply if there only 1.

[damonat Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close damonat]

thanks McBAIN.
i'm totally legit with my lights

[McBAIN Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close McBAIN]

this one would also apply with the above mods for reversing lights i assume

100 Reversing lights

(1) One or more reversing lights may be fitted to the rear of a vehicle and on each side towards the rear of the vehicle.

(2) A reversing light must have its centre not over 1.2 metres above ground level.

(3) When on, a reversing light must show a white or yellow light to the rear or to the side and rear of the vehicle.

Note Third edition ADRs only allow white reversing lights.

(4) A reversing light fitted to a motor vehicle must be wired so it operates only when the vehicle is reversing or in reverse gear.

(5) A reversing light fitted to a trailer must be wired so it operates only when a motor vehicle towing the trailer is reversing or in reverse gear.

(6) A yellow reversing light may also operate as a direction indicator light.

thought point 2 is interesting... i wonder how high the standard ones are.. they must be close!

[Keepleft Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Keepleft]

THE reason why the Prado rear fog lamps are not fitted, but rather have mere 'dummy' lamps here in the AUSTRALIAN market, is *NOT* because of ADR, but rather is a decision made by local Toyota employees that deliberately choose not to opt for them.

ADR 13, Part 8.5.1 makes the fitment of rear fog lamps in Australia 'optional'.

The red corner lamps (which also dual serve as reflex-reflectors) on the Prado's rear bar, IF they were fitted originally as functioning 'rear fogs', as they are in the EU market, - would be 100% legal under ADR's 13 and 52 - AND in the above posting of the National Vehicle Standards as quoted by McBain earlier, EVEN IF only - the drivers side were made so.

This non-fitment of rear fog lamps for all road-going vehicle categories and makes in Australia, is to my mind, seriously negligent in road safety terms.

A vehicles standard taillights are utterly useless in even 3mls of rainwater resting on a freeway surface in daylight. The water spray renders the 5watt taillights, void, particularly at speed!

The European Transport Directorate considers the rear fog lamp to be the worlds 'primary defence' a person has against someone running into your rear when under serious fog conditions, or when caught in torrential rain, blizzards, in duststorms or when in bushfire smoke conditions. It is the only 'fog lamp' that is mandatory in the world today,- front fog lamps by comparision will always be 'optional', everywhere.

In NSW, a rear fog lamp has been a mandatory requirement for all "NSW Fire Brigade" fire fighting vehicles since the late 1980's, AND that 'requirement' has now spread to the NSW Rural Fire Service fire fighting vehicles. You will note these lamps as a single install, placed right-of-centreline.

I would advise ALL other state fire counterparts stipulate the same requirement, on the basis of OH&S. As a steady burning lamp, their performance matches, and exceeds even 12v/55watt (24v/75w) roof-mount flashers - which are often masked sooner in lousy visibility.

Readers will note that certain Toyota models (Cars-MA category) in AUS have a rear fog now.

Note my AVATAR, this is the rear fog lamp symbol, and you see it posted by our Dubai friend as the rear fog lamp switch. IF you see this symbol in any new car, it will have a rear fog.

On modification of a rear fog lamp, and this applies to 'dummy' units; Do NOT wire the lamp unit for use as a 'general taillight', OR as a 'brake-light'. Doing so for the latter in particular can mean a technical defect under ADR 49/00 - 'in relation to photometrics' (of that brake lamp function). This is a seperate issue from the 'placement and mounting' requirements of brake-lights, which differs from that of rear fogs, and therefore on that basis could also mean a defect.

IF you are going to 'use' the dummy lamp, ensure that it is wired and used for its lens-compliance-marked (below) purpose, and therefore its 'designed intention' only. (ARR 217 applies in regards physical use of front and rear fog lamps).

You will likely find the dummy lamp is devoid of a hole used by a bulb holder. Here, you need to 'zero-point' its photometric centre. Often on the lens you will see a dot or similar. Zero-point (for a suited bulb holder) is also the middle of the round 'flat section' of the covering panel.

A rear fog lamp unit will bear COMPLIANCE MARKINGS on the lens, here, near an 'E mark', which is the letter E in a circle with a number next to it (Eg; E13), will be the designation; "F00", or "00".

If you are not going to use the Toyota rear fog switch, ensure the switch you use has a yellow/amber telltale (LED etc) or that a telltale of the same colour is included in the circuit. This is mandatory, it serves to tell you the rear fog is ON. You can take the 'feed' from the front fog lamps if equipped, or sidelights/headlights..

So, you are free to wire-up rear fogs, but in RHD countries such as AUS/NZ/PNG etc, you wire the driver-side only, OR, if you prefer, you can wire both sides.

Adding an additional but seperate 'reversing lamp', per an earlier photo example; I would suggest mounting this lamp on the rear-left, not rear right. You do this, in case GovCo ever mandates rear fogs, which would, in single lamp unit installs, be on the rear right - seeing as AUS and NZ is an RHD country.

Chances of this? (for current registered vehicles) Buckleys, but we could mandate the rear fog for new-market entries in time. Keep the right rear of vehicles clear, for a rear fog, and place additional reverse lamps and the like, on the left.

For trailers, on a 12 volt PIN system, PIN 11 applies for rear fog.

Folk will note some newer caravans have Euro taillight assemblies, sometimes- local manufacturers make the mistake of wiring the rear fog compartments native in these as 'extra brake-lights', meaning the caravan then has two quite distinct levels of brightness being displayed, whenever the brake pedal is pressed. As mentioned earlier, also defectable.

Another reason why ADR13 Part 8.5.1 needs to be recinded. One day, Australia *might* just get it right.

[jcas24 Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close jcas24]

interesting 1st post

[MickL Addicted PP Member Find all posts View Profile Close MickL]

interesting 1st post

I was thinking long first post... hell of a word count

Mick

[jcas24 Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close jcas24]

not so interesting 1st post :P just j/k Bart.

Keepleft, is this kind of info readily available online at all? This is type of info can be highly sort after by many people, especially considering the fact that so many people are particular about keeping their vehicles in complaince & engineered.