Finally... Rear Foglamp Installation!

[Keepleft Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Keepleft]

Thank you folks. I had been Googling on a similar subject and came across this thread, saw a need to respond.

I am a member of many a motoring forum, it follows my NSW 'motorists advocacy' path I guess.

The rear fog lamps as mentioned, are governed for new market vehicle entries by ADR52 (photometrics et al) and by 'wiring and mounting requirements' by ADR's 13 (Installation of Lighting and Light Signalling Devices on other than L-Group Vehicles), and by ADR19 (Installation of Lighting & Light-signalling Devices on L-Group Vehicles).
https://www.dotars.gov.au/roads/motor/d ... nline.aspx
(Take the link provided to Comlaw site).

Use of front and rear fog lamps is governed by Australian Road Rule 217, and this is in turn is then imparted into each State and Territories driver manual.

The ADR's are nowadays legislative instruments, and can all be openly accessed online, via the link provided.

[Jacto Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Jacto]

I don't care about the word count or the length of the "1st Post", this forum is all about parting with information, so excellent job Keepleft, well done

[edblue Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close edblue]

Hi all, I was able to install this fog lamp as per original specs from toyota. It is a very challenging project but it can be done, the hardest part on this mod is the indicator found on the speedo cluster, this has to be taken apart for you to be able to get the fog lamp indicator to work. you will require a diode, capacitor, and a resistor all are SMD so you need a good soldering iron. I have a GXL so I just took these parts out from the height adjustable suspension led circuit. You can buy the switch locally but the wirring harness does not exist behind the dash, so you have to do them yourself. The only wire that exist is lamp wire which ends in the front passenger side kick panel. If any is interested in getting the information let me know I can help with the install.

[adamrick Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close adamrick]

Hi all, I was able to install this fog lamp as per original specs from toyota. It is a very challenging project but it can be done, the hardest part on this mod is the indicator found on the speedo cluster, this has to be taken apart for you to be able to get the fog lamp indicator to work. you will require a diode, capacitor, and a resistor all are SMD so you need a good soldering iron. I have a GXL so I just took these parts out from the height adjustable suspension led circuit. You can buy the switch locally but the wirring harness does not exist behind the dash, so you have to do them yourself. The only wire that exist is lamp wire which ends in the front passenger side kick panel. If any is interested in getting the information let me know I can help with the install.

Hey Edblu,

From your post it seems the white multiplug was not evident in your AUS model GXL...? Maybe it's only available in the VX..?

I had no hassles wiring up my rear fogs as I said in my original post. I went an bought the parts as per my posted parts list and fitted them together... a bit like a Lego kit! No hacking into harnesses etc... I have to add the LED inside the dash panel, but here in Dubai it's not mandatory. But the rear fog switch is illuminated internally, so would that count in your country?

Can you post pics of your harness? Maybe it's different in the GXL to the VX

[SM10 Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close SM10]

Re: Finally... Rear Foglamp Installation!

I managed to get the final story on getting the rear fog lamps to work

You need to order:

1 x 84165-33040 - Fog Lamp Switch Assy
2 x 81591-60132 - Lens & Body
2 x 82214-60050 - Wire, Lamp
2 x Standard 12v clear lamps(same as the park light)

Simply insert the switch into the top left receptacle in the driver's switch panel. Connect the white connector, with the green line through it, to the switch (no need for any relays or additional wiring).

Remove the fog lamp 'blanks/dummies' from the rear bumper. Insert the 12v lamp into the wiring harness 82214-60050. Insert this into the new fog lamp housing. Insert the new fog lamp into the bumper and connect the grey connector to the male counterpart under the bumper.

Hey Presto!!!! Working fog lamps!!!

adamrick,

Is this part number for a left and/or right fog lamp lens and body? As the left and right are different parts and cannot be interchanged, I would expect there to be two part numbers, one for each side.

[Steve & Sandra Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Steve & Sandra]

There is nothing worse than sitting behind some joker who insists on having this bright red light burning holes in the back of my eyes. hyundai drivers seem to be the worst culprit for this.

[adamrick Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close adamrick]

@ SM10

I see your point! I'll post up the correct part numbers for left and right assemblies later today (your evening time).

EDIT: I believe 81591-60132 - is the left side Lens & Body.

81581-60132 - is the right side Lens & Body

I will confirm this tomorrow

@ Steve and Sandra

I couldn't agree with you more. However, I only use my rear fogs when in thick fog or thick dust storms (of which we have a few here)... See http://www.gulfnews.com/nation/traffic_ ... 96597.html and then you will understand the need for rear fogs in this crazy place.

People here drive with their hazards on in fog/dust storms and don't realise this is a fatal error (one which caused this massive accident).

[edblue Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close edblue]

Hi adamrick, the australian model does not have this harness, I have seen a 2005 grande and it too does not have this harness, what we have is just the dimmer and side mirror control wires :cry: . The instrument cluster does not also have the rear fog lamp indicator on it and the components are also missing...... But I was able to do this mod as it should be done. Sorry I am new to this forum so I don't know how to post pictures just yet, I have taken some picture of the mods so as soon as I learn this posting thing I will post pictures.

[adamrick Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close adamrick]

Hi Ed,

I got good advice here to use Photobucket to show pics...

Just create a free Photobucket account and upload your pics there, then come back here and use the img button to link to your pics at photobucket.

[Keepleft Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Keepleft]

People here drive with their hazards on in fog/dust storms and don't realise this is a fatal error (one which caused this massive accident).

Australia also has this backward allowance, it was adopted nationally into the Australian Road Rules (Rule 217) in 1999, from New South Wales state legislation, that was in turn, created back in 1988 following a 53 car pile-up on the NSW F6 in heavy fog conditions.

How it came about in NSW:-
A member of the public, following the 1988 event, with support of Illawarra police, figured that; "since fog is considered a hazard, why should we not be able to use our hazard-lights in the hazard"? (Yes, the thought process *was* that simple and as was explained to me).

Wollongong police then championed the idea further based on a Californian traffic concept called "Operation Fogdown", which involved blocks of vehicles being escorted by highway patrol through heavy fog, - all with their hazard flashing simultaneously. (REM that US cars had RED flashers, red hazards, red brake, red tail lamps and of course red reflex reflectors. They allow now 'amber').

The matter then became political, with NSW MP Brad Hazzard having permissible regulation passed, by an ignorant (of-the-other-alternative) parliament.

In California, their fogdown program was later found to be unworkable and even dangerous, and it soon stopped.

WHAT NSW SHOULD HAVE DONE INSTEAD OF ADOPTING THE HAZARDS BUSINESS;-
Advocated - for a change in ADR13 that would have effectively mandated the rear fog lamp (they are brighter than hazards, AND they allow the lane-change signal to be given corectly, AND eliminates complacency that sets in when folk routinely see hazards-on in heavy fog like conditions, where a vehicle ahead might-actually-be-stopped-at-a-crash-scene and not mobile. for new market entries, with a lead-in time for Compliance.

OR, it could have created a state-based 'mandatory requirement' for the purposes of registration, so that new market vehicles would have been supplied with a rear-fog lamp ADR52 regulation, effectively mandating something that ADR13 did (and still does) not!

The states *can* create such regulation, regardless of federal opinion.

FURTHER;- The use of hazard-warning lights under heavy fog and like conditions on moving vehicles, runs contrary to the allowance of the hazards signal held under The 1968 "United Nations Convention on Road Traffic, Signs & Signals", including current amendments.

I would expect with time the Australian hazards allowance held at ARR 221 (e) to be recinded. This should bring us back in line with the rest of the world team.

UAE and other Gulf States, like AUS, simply need to mandate the rear fog on new market vehicles without fail, per requirements held in UNECE 38, that is all.

I'd expect the North American market to do so in time as part of FMVSS108 requirements, their SAE recommended practice is SAEJ1319, and that in turn accepts the UNECE 38 regulation alternatives.

** To help educate then RTA tollway crash attendance staff and RTA towies about rear fogs, I set about installing rear fogs to service vehicles for that region. (with amber telltale as required). Later installed same to Katoomba police vehicles, to educate them as the existence of rear fogs.

Educational effort extended to information being imparted into our then 'driver training manual', so the public would learn about them as generations continue. Even did this for New York State, the only US State with text teaching its readers what rear fogs are, and when they may be used. Little wonder then the complaints about rear fogs being used in clear conditions rose stateside, ONLY ONE state teaches anything about them, duh!

*** NSW Fire Brigade fire fighting trucks MUST have a rear fog, this requirement is now carried into ther NSW Rural Fire Fighting Service fleet too.

Basis; Occupational Health & Safety.

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Re: Finally... Rear Foglamp Installation!

Hey Thanks adamrick

I followed ur parts list except for the new lens and body kit. I just made a hole using a 3/4" hole saw and then cut out the sides to match the shape in the bulb holder and just inserted and turned it for a locked fit. The cost came upto AED 190 (40 each for the bulb holder and wire, 10 each for the wedge base bulbs and 95 for the Rear Fog Switch).Now I have a doubt on whether the heat build up wud cause anything or shud i be removing the small rubber plug found next to the bulb hole to release the heat. Any Advice !!!!

[adamrick Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close adamrick]

Re: Finally... Rear Foglamp Installation!

Hi Pradojunkie,

Nice to see another Dubai resident active in Pradopoint I was feeling very lonely here for a while :shock: :lol: :lol: Welcome to the best Prado forum on the web!!

I don't think it's necessary to remove the rubber bungs next to the "...bulb hole..." as the heat generated will not be enough to melt the ABS plastic housing. Where did you get the rear fog switch from? I had to go to Deira car market as Toyota on Shk. Zayed Rd. didn't stock the switch.

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Re: Finally... Rear Foglamp Installation!

Hi Adamrick,

Thanks and Glad to be a member of the best Prado forum. The prado's been my dream car for a while and now since i own one, I wont be selling it off at all maybe. 2 yrs now and already crossed 120000 kms. Didnt know where to source the original parts thats why i started late on the modding bit. Anyway now I got a guy in Al Barsha who will get me any original toyota part from Oman. I have gone to Al Futtaim and they never get me what i want. Even my car I had to get it from Oman for the features and color i needed.
Abt the Rubber bungs in the Fog Lamp, I thought it should be for the heat as I dunno what purpose they serve otherwise. If you notice a 30 min drive with the lights on got the casing heated up when compared to the top brake lights. For the parts I used TVR Amani Auto Parts in Al Barsha, If they dont have it, they have the Toyota parts software which will tell them which part number we are looking for based on my chasis number and source it for me from Oman within 2 days.But these guys dont stock accessories for Toyota so now I am on the lookout for someone in UAE who can source original Toyota accessories for me.

Now I am on a project to see if I can get the Front and Rear Fog light indicators on the front cluster to work as I cannot know if they are 'on' or 'Off' when driving. I was reading abt doing that mod on the forum and hopefully get it to work.
Will post abt this later.

[Signature035 Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Signature035]

Re: Finally... Rear Foglamp Installation!

Was following another Prado yesterday who had the dummy rear fog lights wired to his brake lights. Looked good, but in reading this thread..... may be illegal?


Apologie for image quality....phone camera

[Golly Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Golly]

Re: Finally... Rear Foglamp Installation!

Goes to show how stupid law makers are.... why should something be illegal if
1. The original car has the facilities there for the lights.
2. By installing these with normal tailight globes there is more light visible to people.
3. See point 2.