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  • #736
    Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

    After the local dealer told me that the answer to the rattle problem was a re-programming, which could only be done by someone from Toyota, yesterday they changed the injectors. Its a bit early to tell, but if anything I think a new problem has been created. Now I have a whine on acceleration. The engine also seems to be more noisy, but then I'm probaby just being paranoid. It would be nice to get the opinion of someone who really knows and is independant, because I don't fully trust the dealers.
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    • #737
      Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

      Can any one tell me what test Toyota do to determine if any injectors are noisy
      I have conflicting reports from two different dealers in Adelaide which leaves me totally confused.
      Dealer (a ) did a cold start using IT Tester and found cylinders 3 & 4 had noisy injectors and new injectors were required,that had to send the report to Toyota and if they agreed they would supply replacement injectors
      A couple of weeks went by I was then contacted by the dealer to bring my car in for the replacement injector,I argued with the service department that it should be 2 injectors as per report but they only replaced 1 (Not happy Jan)
      A few months went by and the problem was still there so i booked in to dealer (b) for a cold start
      Next day the dealer told me that it was normal diesel noise, I asked how he tested it and i was told the head mechnic started it and just listened and sounded normal (not happy again) I told them about the report from dealer (a) He claimed that they have never heard of such a test.So they have contaced Toyota Technical to query the IT Tester and was told that dealer (a) should never done such a test as that was wrong .Now dealer (b) is waiting for advise from Toyota Technical to tell them how to test for noisy injectors
      Sorry for the drawn out report but when i get a sensible answer i will report back here

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      • #738
        Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

        Originally posted by Burgie
        Can any one tell me what test Toyota do to determine if any injectors are noisy
        I have conflicting reports from two different dealers in Adelaide which leaves me totally confused.
        Dealer (a ) did a cold start using IT Tester and found cylinders 3 & 4 had noisy injectors and new injectors were required,that had to send the report to Toyota and if they agreed they would supply replacement injectors
        A couple of weeks went by I was then contacted by the dealer to bring my car in for the replacement injector,I argued with the service department that it should be 2 injectors as per report but they only replaced 1 (Not happy Jan)
        A few months went by and the problem was still there so i booked in to dealer (b) for a cold start
        Next day the dealer told me that it was normal diesel noise, I asked how he tested it and i was told the head mechnic started it and just listened and sounded normal (not happy again) I told them about the report from dealer (a) He claimed that they have never heard of such a test.So they have contaced Toyota Technical to query the IT Tester and was told that dealer (a) should never done such a test as that was wrong .Now dealer (b) is waiting for advise from Toyota Technical to tell them how to test for noisy injectors
        Sorry for the drawn out report but when i get a sensible answer i will report back here
        The first Dealer knows what they are doing and are following Toyota Corporate proceedure. Dealer B would not know if their butt was on fire.

        Unfortunately it is not up to the dealership to say how many of the injectors they will swap out, it is totally up to Toyota Corporate to decide on that once they have received all the data from the dealership service centre. It is a very intensive testing schedule that has to be done with an IT2 ( Intelligent Tester 2) tester. Now it has been told to me by one dealership that the IT2 tester costs a lot of money for dealerships to purchase and not all dealerships have them, also not all dealerships have the expertise to swap out the injectors on the D4D engine. This is the reason why some dealership service centres are not up with the testing for this problem.

        Cheers

        Mav
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        • #739
          Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

          Thanks for your comment Mav You would think they would all get their act together
          Regards
          Burgie

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          • #740
            Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

            I just talked to an independant diesel specialist here in Adelaide who I used for years before getting an 07 D4D with dealer service attached, he has yonks of experience and always kept my BJ73 on the road - he does all makes and says stop stressing guys, common rail is noisy after a few 'thou across all makes when cold then is one of the quietest out there when warm, all to do with massive injection pressure and piston clearance, no danger of damage, quite normal as a warm-up proceedure. Annoying rather than damaging.

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            • #741
              Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

              Originally posted by Fisher
              I just talked to an independant diesel specialist here in Adelaide who I used for years before getting an 07 D4D with dealer service attached, he has yonks of experience and always kept my BJ73 on the road - he does all makes and says stop stressing guys, common rail is noisy after a few 'thou across all makes when cold then is one of the quietest out there when warm, all to do with massive injection pressure and piston clearance, no danger of damage, quite normal as a warm-up proceedure. Annoying rather than damaging.
              All due respects to your diesel mechanic but the problem with the D4D injectors failing is not normal and can lead to damage depending on how the injector fails. Continuously dripping fuel into the pot can cause pre-detonation and there are reports of pots having holes blown in them in Europe.

              I have had two injectors replaced now due to them both failing at differing times, the noise progresses till it is noticeable even when the engine is at normal operating temps and you will experience an increase in fuel consumption.
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              • #742
                Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

                The failing injectors is certainly not normal. And shouldn't be happening either.

                Though I think what Fisher is talking about is the 5 - 10 minute rough running when D4D's are cold. Disappears when the engine warms up. Seems this will happen even with a set of perfectly functioning injectors.

                I think the problem we now have is how to distinguish between 2 separate issues. We don't want people to believe they have an injector problem when that may not necessarily be the case. Similarly, we don't want people to believe nothing is wrong when injector failure is a real possibility.

                I had some pretty rough starts last winter and I admit I was worried, the vehicle being new and all. All good over summer though. Only 16,000 k's on the clock for me so far though, so time will tell. I think the thing to remember with the rough cold morning starts is that the rough running should disappear after 10 minutes or so. Completely.

                Issue (1) injector failure.
                Issue (2) Cold start syndrome.
                Issue (3) Engine Mounts (identified in another thread from a member that had this problem).
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                • #743
                  Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

                  I'm finally getting somewhere with my rattle, albeit in the wrong direction but at least I'm getting somwhere!

                  Just got my Prado back after it was in at Toyota(for 8 days!) getting a new clutch fitted and the rattle looked at. Finally after sticking to my guns, I got the ecu re flashed which I was told didn't exist earlier in the year :roll:

                  Anyway the result? Terrible, it's worse than when it when in, but the good thing is it highlights the issue even better. I've still got to drive it for 1000kms or so to see if it quietens down but I'm not optimistic. How have you guys gone with your injectors that have had the reflash ONLY done?

                  So I've been told by the toyo boys, the issue is indeed with the injectors (as we already know) but apparently there have been 2 types of injectors installed in the Prados with one type more susceptible to bad fuel and hence the rattle. The injector brand that is the one to watch is the Denso injectors, not sure what the other make was.

                  I'll report back in 1000kms!

                  Cheers,

                  Crammy
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                  • #744
                    Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

                    As I read all this and am just about to negotiate a deal for a new diesel auto GXL and outlay a small fortune.... and an arm and leg.

                    Should I?

                    Is this an unresolved latent defect! Will Toyota wipe their hands once the warranty is up if the problem continues through and after the warranty period.

                    Wonder if Toyota Australia monitor these forums? Are they a sponsor?

                    Grant
                    [size=2][b]2009 GXL D4D Auto[/b]
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                    • #745
                      Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

                      Originally posted by pradogxlv6
                      I think if any dealer had my car for 8 friggin days to change a clutch and inspect a rattle in my engine; I would be contacting the department of fair trading. Bloody hell, did they respray the car and fit a new interior while they had it there :?: They certainly had enough time... 8)

                      Wankers...
                      Long story but it just turned out that a whole series of stuff ups with trying to find an aftermarket clutch contributed to the long wait... and the fact that when toyota finally gave me a decent price on the genuine clutch they didn't have one in stock! Anyway I was buzzin around in the missus mazda 3 mps for the week so that kept me happy!

                      Originally posted by GDS
                      As I read all this and am just about to negotiate a deal for a new diesel auto GXL and outlay a small fortune.... and an arm and leg.

                      Should I?

                      Is this an unresolved latent defect! Will Toyota wipe their hands once the warranty is up if the problem continues through and after the warranty period.

                      Wonder if Toyota Australia monitor these forums? Are they a sponsor?

                      Grant
                      Grant,

                      I don't think any of the newer prados are affected by the injector issues as they've been revised (apparantly). Yes Toyota would monitor this forum and they would be well aware of this thread. The D4D is a very good engine when it's running well. If you counted all the guys in this thread with issues compared to those who own D4D's on PP that don't have an issues, it's a small percentage... So you should go for it... or wait for the new model!!!

                      Crammy
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                      • #746
                        Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

                        Originally posted by joey
                        well im with Crammy on this one...ive seen both vehicles extensively and i know that the difference...

                        the additional mods dont mean squat under this comparison on the rigs.

                        its not the fact that father christmas has been good to Crammy its the fact he works damn hard for what he has!!!!!

                        the d4d rattle seems to be a on going issue for some guys regardless of accessories lists!

                        joey
                        Boys,

                        I am with you all the way.

                        I have no mods - just an ARB bar on the front - completely mod free because of this problem and trust me the fuel consumption has gone up the shitter. I have a bank roll ready to mod but I am hesitant to spend if this problem continues and the exchange rate for a new one is not an option at this stage.

                        I had the ECU done and was told to drive for a 1000km - did nothing but waste my fuel before they then agreed to replace all 4 injectors - I have not had the same noise come bak since ( 15000km ago ) but it certainly is heavier on the fuel and makes a lot more rattling noises than it did before.

                        I do not have a scangauge but trust when i was paying at one stage $1.70 per litre I noticed the difference between 1600km around town down to 1100km on a full tank.

                        This sounds like the issue is certainly not going away, so all i can suggest is get the extended warranty before your three years is up and make you have it stipulated that your engine / injector problem is included.
                        That way you can annoy the shit out of them for three more years. It is not the solution we want, but I am sure I can harrass someone into early retirement or the loony bin because of it.
                        Babs
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                        • #747
                          Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

                          Originally posted by babs

                          Boys,

                          I am with you all the way.

                          I have no mods - just an ARB bar on the front - completely mod free because of this problem and trust me the fuel consumption has gone up the shitter. I have a bank roll ready to mod but I am hesitant to spend if this problem continues and the exchange rate for a new one is not an option at this stage.

                          I had the ECU done and was told to drive for a 1000km - did nothing but waste my fuel before they then agreed to replace all 4 injectors - I have not had the same noise come bak since ( 15000km ago ) but it certainly is heavier on the fuel and makes a lot more rattling noises than it did before.

                          I do not have a scangauge but trust when i was paying at one stage $1.70 per litre I noticed the difference between 1600km around town down to 1100km on a full tank.

                          This sounds like the issue is certainly not going away, so all i can suggest is get the extended warranty before your three years is up and make you have it stipulated that your engine / injector problem is included.
                          That way you can annoy the shit out of them for three more years. It is not the solution we want, but I am sure I can harrass someone into early retirement or the loony bin because of it.
                          Hey babs,

                          So good to know that the next 1000kms for me will be a waste of time! :roll: At least I'm getting somewhere other than "All D4D's make that noise" Fair suck of the sav Toyota... How stupid do they think you are!

                          When you say you the noise hasn't come back but it makes more rattling noises than it did before, what rattles do you have? Is it still a diesel rattle?

                          I spoke to Toyota yesterday to let them know the rattle is much worse since the reflash and they were very surprised... Almost skeptical of my report :evil:

                          Crammy :mrgreen:
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                          • #748
                            Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

                            Remember with warranty. If you identify an issue within the warranty period and the dealer accepts responsibility for the fault, then same fault occurs out of the warranty period, you do have grounds for returning to to the dealer for a fix. Particularly if the issue is a pure manufacturing fault that should have been rectified when the original warranty work was done. With this injector issue though, and a big behemoth like Toyota, a small session with a lawyer or a call to fair trading could benefit.

                            And yeah... reality can be somewhat different to the letter of the law.
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                            • #749
                              Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

                              Amazing how even after 100 years, car manufacturers still cannot get it right. Maybe Toyota need to source their injectors from this guy?

                              http://www.greendieselcorp.com/index.html

                              Reminds me of the TD Jackaroo I once owned. They also had faulty injectors (o-rings apparently) & my vehicle suffered a catastrophic engine failure. Fortunately for me I had bought the vehicle from a car yard so they had to pay the 8 grand to have the engine rebuilt (would not pay the 13 grand for a brand new one!). It turned into a situation where I had to get NSW Fair Trading involved & the guy who was looking after my case was excellent, very helpful indeed. Several months later, because there was a safety issue involved, Holden where forced to do a recall on all these vehicles & replace the injectors at their expense. Must have cost them a LOT of money. I got rid of the thing a couple of months after I got it back........

                              Good luck to those who are also having this injector problem, I have an idea of what you're going through.

                              Cheers,

                              Glenn
                              Cheers,
                              Glenn
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                              • #750
                                Re: diesel rattle in D4D Prado

                                Originally posted by Crammy
                                Originally posted by babs

                                Boys,

                                I am with you all the way.

                                I have no mods - just an ARB bar on the front - completely mod free because of this problem and trust me the fuel consumption has gone up the shitter. I have a bank roll ready to mod but I am hesitant to spend if this problem continues and the exchange rate for a new one is not an option at this stage.

                                I had the ECU done and was told to drive for a 1000km - did nothing but waste my fuel before they then agreed to replace all 4 injectors - I have not had the same noise come bak since ( 15000km ago ) but it certainly is heavier on the fuel and makes a lot more rattling noises than it did before.

                                I do not have a scangauge but trust when i was paying at one stage $1.70 per litre I noticed the difference between 1600km around town down to 1100km on a full tank.

                                This sounds like the issue is certainly not going away, so all i can suggest is get the extended warranty before your three years is up and make you have it stipulated that your engine / injector problem is included.
                                That way you can annoy the shit out of them for three more years. It is not the solution we want, but I am sure I can harrass someone into early retirement or the loony bin because of it.
                                Hey babs,

                                So good to know that the next 1000kms for me will be a waste of time! :roll: At least I'm getting somewhere other than "All D4D's make that noise" Fair suck of the sav Toyota... How stupid do they think you are!

                                When you say you the noise hasn't come back but it makes more rattling noises than it did before, what rattles do you have? Is it still a diesel rattle?

                                I spoke to Toyota yesterday to let them know the rattle is much worse since the reflash and they were very surprised... Almost skeptical of my report :evil:

                                Crammy :mrgreen:
                                Crammy,

                                There is a rattle at start up that is much more noticeable than before the initial problem started, but I am probably paranoid. It definately was not there in the first 13000km.

                                I really like my truck and would love to mod the shit out of it, but i cannot justify spending all the $$$$$ if it is just going to have this problem again.

                                I have been canvasing dealersin adelaide about the injector problem in the D4D and they just say they have not heard of it........ the 12 weeks my truck was off the road must be in my imagination
                                Babs
                                2011 VX D4D

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