Is the diesel a false economy?

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Re: Is the diesel a false economy?

Best thing for the diesel, range. Try going across the simpson or the canning. How far will you get towing a camper or caravan with a petrol. If you are not using your Prado for this, spend $60k on a upspec commodore.

Its that kind of mentality that is ruining the 4wd community, unfortunately the narrow minded seem to be becoming more and more prevalent. Good luck on the Simpson or Canning I will enjoy the other 95% of fantastic areas this country has to offer. Not everyone wants to do a remote trip its called choice and personal preference. :wink:

Not to mention dragging up a 2 year old thread to push your prejudice. :roll:

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Re: Is the diesel a false economy?

Guy's just my 2c! I have just decked out a brand new auto Sr5 d4d dualcab Hilux and i'm getting mid 15's per100l i would'nt call that good range. In saying that it definately comes down to personal preference

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Re: Is the diesel a false economy?

Guy's just my 2c! I have just decked out a brand new auto Sr5 d4d dualcab Hilux and i'm getting mid 15's per100l i would'nt call that good range. In saying that it definately comes down to personal preference

Driving style, extras, lift, tyres, weight all come into it. Petrol may see it at 20l/100. As you say, personal preference...careful driving and not being in a hurry gets me no greater than 10l/100 on average.

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Re: Is the diesel a false economy?

Best thing for the diesel, range. Try going across the simpson or the canning. How far will you get towing a camper or caravan with a petrol. If you are not using your Prado for this, spend $60k on a upspec commodore.

Diesel is the go. better on fuel, more so when towing. Best resale! and better engine life. Better for water crossings. Faster to fill em at fuel pump
cheaper rego, and no spark plugs to change Fair bit of pick up power these days too. You can only go as fast as the speed signs say anyway :!:

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Re: Is the diesel a false economy?

Try going across the simpson or the canning.

Wow... no petrol vehicle has ever done these trips????

I think a petrol Prado would cross the Simpson quite comfortably. I had a v6 Pathfinder in my group last year and he certainly didn't get left behind with a dry tank... and the Canning just takes a little more planning but plenty of petrol powered 4x4's have done it.

Mick

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Re: Is the diesel a false economy?

I think you missed the point on my post. Yes petrol vehicles have been touring australia and the world for a very long time.
If you want to travel long distances in country areas, having a diesel will make your trip easier and safer as diesel has a lower flash point (not as flamable) and not having to carry fuel in jerry cans in the cabin or roof. I have travelled in our old FJ60 many times all over the place including the Cape. We also had LPG and found that very few places had LPG and the 95 lt petrol tank would only give us 500km, the gas 300km.

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Re: Is the diesel a false economy?

I think you missed the point on my post.

Did I?? Here it is quoted in full:

Best thing for the diesel, range. Try going across the simpson or the canning. How far will you get towing a camper or caravan with a petrol. If you are not using your Prado for this, spend $60k on a upspec commodore.

Hmmm "Range"... "Try doing the Simpson or Canning" ... what was your point again??

And while I'm at it; this is just wank too:

If you are not using your Prado for this, spend $60k on a upspec commodore.

I know guys who don't do desert trips, haven't done the Simpson or Canning and don't tow a camper or caravan... they drive petrol 4x4's day to day for work and do more hardcore off roading every weekend than you and I will ever do. So they should sell up and buy Commodores???

There's a lot more 4wheeling to be had than just long range touring....

Mick

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Re: Is the diesel a false economy?

In today's world of everything electronic the only advantage of a diesel over petrol
is the range..Both petrol and diesel will go everywhere and if you break down in
either, in the desert then you are stuck....as for longevity i do not think either
one has the advantage over the other....still i prefer the petrol for a small extra fee...

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Re: Is the diesel a false economy?

Go and test drive a Discovery 4 3.0l V6 diesel. 180kw/600Nm.

When the Prado 150 comes out with a V6 diesel, the petrol will make less sense, unless Toyota charges an extra $5K for it.


Legweak.

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Re: Is the diesel a false economy?

Go and test drive a Discovery 4 3.0l V6 diesel. 180kw/600Nm.

And the petrol V8 will put a bigger go fast smile on your face with 276kw/510Nm.....

When the Prado 150 comes out with a V6 diesel, the petrol will make less sense, unless Toyota charges an extra $5K for it.

I'm sure they'll bump up the petrol motors power and people will still buy them....


Mick

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Re: Is the diesel a false economy?

Petrol owners who like to argue about all this are quite simply just jealous

Really, it all comes down to what you've been used to, how you like the benefits off road of one or the other, as well as something as simple as the sound it makes.
After driving the Rav4 for years, when we test drove diesel Prados, just hearing it was such a great feeling. That's a bit O.T. though.

As to the false economy thing, it's going to be different for everyone. A petrol doing a lot of heavy towing isn't going to be as economic as a diesel. Simple.
Put into this whether it's a new or 2nd hand vehicle, what you've paid for insurance, what you paid for more jerry cans to do the Simpson :roll: and all sorts of other little things, the Petrol may or may not be better. Even if it was, after having the gutless 1Kz, you'd never find me buying a petrol unless the difference was simply huge.

Pointless argument really in most cases.

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Re: Is the diesel a false economy?

hi,
If you are doing a lot of towing diesel is the way to go.
So at the moment i enjoy the power and the smoothness
of the v6 petrol. Yes i agree the diesel has moretorque down low
but when you are going uphill say at 100km and some turkey slows you down
to 80km the petrol will outrun the diesel. Also in sand petrol is better.
When one day i go Australia towing a comper or van i'll only do it in a diesel.

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Re: Is the diesel a false economy?

Diesel Vs Petrol, petrol give me a second, i am sure i know what that is :wink: Ah yes that is the stuff i buy to mix with oil and put in my lawn mower. Wow am i to understand that people still use that in their cars? Go figure. :lol:

on an even less serious note, what about the things that can't be measured in dollars and cents. like when you go on a trip with a few mates and they pull in for fuel, for the second time (none driving prados diesel or otherwise) and they ask whether you are going to get some. the look on their face is priceless when you stand their and say in the most deadpan and seriuos face you can muster, Nah i already bought fuel this month. As they turn around and walk of mumbling to themselves about bloody prado drivers, well that just gives me a warm glow on the inside. ive done this a few times and on all occasions have got home running on the smell of an oily rag, not that i ever would admit that to my mates. i'm sorry but i couldnt have done this with a petrol so i say LONG LIVE THE OILER.

Cheers Andrew

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Re: Is the diesel a false economy?

Diesel Vs Petrol, petrol give me a second, i am sure i know what that is :wink: Ah yes that is the stuff i buy to mix with oil and put in my lawn mower. Wow am i to understand that people still use that in their cars? Go figure. :lol:

on an even less serious note, what about the things that can't be measured in dollars and cents. like when you go on a trip with a few mates and they pull in for fuel, for the second time (none driving prados diesel or otherwise) and they ask whether you are going to get some. the look on their face is priceless when you stand their and say in the most deadpan and seriuos face you can muster, Nah i already bought fuel this month. As they turn around and walk of mumbling to themselves about bloody prado drivers, well that just gives me a warm glow on the inside. ive done this a few times and on all occasions have got home running on the smell of an oily rag, not that i ever would admit that to my mates. i'm sorry but i couldnt have done this with a petrol so i say LONG LIVE THE OILER.

Cheers Andrew

Hi Andrew

Interesting and amusing, just did 7'000ks through SA and Western Qld as the only petrol (90 series Prado auto v6) car. Others were a Navara d40 diesel manual, Cruiser 07 trayback turbo diesel manual, guess what I refueled less times than them, halved the maintainance costs and paid less for my fuel and didn't need jerry cans. So what does it all mean, I carried less gear probably, had a larger fuel tank and had to put my foot down less, it's all relative.

I just purchased a new 150 series petrol auto, the demo showed 12.5lts on the trip computer when I drove it, I got an $8'800.00 discount (none available for a diesel) so do the math, as a tourer only used for off road and holidays, work how long my $8800.00 dollars will go in the difference in lts/100 and then add the extra cost per lt of diesel and the extra service costs (150 series petrol $210.00 vs 150 series diesel $250.00 at double the intervals). And I have 202 killer wasps for when I want it.

See ya on the road, Richo.

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Re: Is the diesel a false economy?

Diesel Vs Petrol, petrol give me a second, i am sure i know what that is :wink: Ah yes that is the stuff i buy to mix with oil and put in my lawn mower. Wow am i to understand that people still use that in their cars? Go figure. :lol:

on an even less serious note, what about the things that can't be measured in dollars and cents. like when you go on a trip with a few mates and they pull in for fuel, for the second time (none driving prados diesel or otherwise) and they ask whether you are going to get some. the look on their face is priceless when you stand their and say in the most deadpan and seriuos face you can muster, Nah i already bought fuel this month. As they turn around and walk of mumbling to themselves about bloody prado drivers, well that just gives me a warm glow on the inside. ive done this a few times and on all occasions have got home running on the smell of an oily rag, not that i ever would admit that to my mates. i'm sorry but i couldnt have done this with a petrol so i say LONG LIVE THE OILER.

Cheers Andrew

Hi Andrew

Interesting and amusing, just did 7'000ks through SA and Western Qld as the only petrol (90 series Prado auto v6) car. Others were a Navara d40 diesel manual, Cruiser 07 trayback turbo diesel manual, guess what I refueled less times than them, halved the maintainance costs and paid less for my fuel and didn't need jerry cans. So what does it all mean, I carried less gear probably, had a larger fuel tank and had to put my foot down less, it's all relative.

I just purchased a new 150 series petrol auto, the demo showed 12.5lts on the trip computer when I drove it, I got an $8'800.00 discount (none available for a diesel) so do the math, as a tourer only used for off road and holidays, work how long my $8800.00 dollars will go in the difference in lts/100 and then add the extra cost per lt of diesel and the extra service costs (150 series petrol $210.00 vs 150 series diesel $250.00 at double the intervals). And I have 202 killer wasps for when I want it.

See ya on the road, Richo.

Richo what are the service intervals for both engines. I thought they were both 10,000km or did it change with the 150 series.