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    Ethanol in fuel is such a complex issue:

    This blending practise has a couple of significant issues that have not been completely resolved by vehicle manaufacturers and the fuel companies.

    1. Ethanol is completely water miscible, Ethanol likes to find water and absorb it. That means that water can be easily transfered to the fuel system of your vehicle. It can cause performance issues, and most significantly corrosion. Normal fuel is generally considered not to be water miscible.

    2. The boiling point of Ethanol is 78 Deg C, while the boiling point of a unleaded fuel, (no Ethanol Blend) is 190Deg at the same atm pressure. Guess which product stratifies and then evaporates first throught the carbon canister into your engine. What can also happen if you have left your vehicle still for some time is the the fuel can seprarate, the density of Ethanol is around 790kg/m3 while unleaded comes in around 730kg/m3. The Ethanol is trying to get to the bottom of the tank. It is possible that you could run your vehicle of high levels of Ethanol until the blend is remixed.

    3. Ethanol fuels generally don't come from the refinery blended, therefore the blend is not subjected to the same high standard of batching and quality. It is generally blended as it goes in to the tanker or in to a holding tank. Hope the terminal manager is paying attention when he blends your next tank full of fuel. Of course they are checks at the terminal but not like at the refinery.

    4. Forget using normal foam extiguishers on fuels containing ethanol, as little as 5% Ethanol can damage the foam blanket and prevent the extinguishment of the fire. Make sue your foam extinguisher is Polar Solvent compatable.

    5.One wonders if the conversion of food to fuel is the solution when there are so many other fuel alternatives not being developed.

    Don't get me wrong, I am not against Ethanol. I would like some of these issues sorted out prior to putting anything more than about 5% in my vehicle.

  • #2
    Interesting stuff Steveo.

    I'll stick to ethanol-less fuel for now, thanks!

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    • #3
      Yeah, interesting reading steveo. It looks like ethanol blended fuel could be a risk if you leave your vehicle sitting for weeks at a time. Fortunately, my truck is on the track most days so the settling of the fuel isn't very likely for me.

      The price difference makes Boost98 my choice for now.

      As for the fire fighting difficulties, I reckon if my fuel is on fire, I'm in a world of hurt and it's prolly someone else's problem by then! (i.e. the fire crew and the guy whose job it is to clean the black smear off the road where my car was) :lol:

      Drew.
      2005 Toyota LandCruiser GRJ120R Prado "Pilbara" (GX+) Petrol V6 5 Speed Auto, ARB AirLocker rear diff locker, Safari Snorkel, Bilstein Shocks, OME 2" Lifted Springs, PolyAir airbags, bash plates, Icom HF Transceiver, Uniden UHF CB, HID and LED lights, Black Duck seat covers, Tekonsha Prodigy trailer brake controller, Redarc Dual Battery Controller, ATS4X4 Side Steps/Rock Sliders.

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      • #4
        Drew,

        Noted about the fire cleanup, leave it to them and the insurance company to sort it out.

        The fire fighting reference was for the guys (and Gals) who cary quantities of reserve fuel on trips in cans and other fuel containers, and for consideration for those who have the misfortune to split a fuel tank while 4wd.

        I have emailed United to get an MSDS to see whats in the Boost 98 fuel other than E10.

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        • #5
          Ethanol is not good IMHO. I've never used it in my engine and never will... as long as I have a say in it.

          That's why I won't try Shell V-power.

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          • #6
            Glad to hear that many of you are happy with E10 fuels.

            I am sure that car manufacturers have extensively tested the fuels to ensure any problems caused by the blend will either be outside the period of the warranty and/or will produce a not covered by warranty responce as the fault is attributed to something outside their control, fuel quality for example.

            On the economy front, Ethanol will boost the RON of the blend. So it is not suprising that you will get similar economy results. Logically however fuel manufacturers can then blend the Ethanol with lower RON base fuel and top up the RON with Ethanol to reach the required blended RON i.e. Unleaded RON 91. This is fine as long as you trust your fuel supplier to blend the Ethanol with a quanlity base fuel and not use it as an opportunity to blend with lower quality fuels from offshore locations.

            The boys that frequent the Engine - Diesel forum shouldn't take comfort from the discussion on Ethanol in the Petrol Forum as Ethanol blended Diesel is being introducted.

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            • #7
              I am sure that E10 fuels in Australia are ok, the vehicles using more than E10 have significantly different fuel and filtering systems than the one fitted to our vehicle and with Anhydrous Ethanol being at least 1% water they need to be.

              The current manufacturering of ethanol just can't last, diverting food to make Ethanol has a limited life.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by steveo

                The current manufacturering of ethanol just can't last, diverting food to make Ethanol has a limited life.
                Steveo,
                Not so sure, we currently can't sell all of our sugar & certain if need be, we could grow a mountain more? :P

                Cheers,
                Fazza
                07 Silver Ash, GXL, D4D, Auto. Lifestyle rear cargo rack. 2500 kg Tow bar with Tekonsha elec brake controller, Rear dust deflector, Mio Sat nav, (Still trying to fault the Dunlop AT20's)

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                • #9
                  Pradogxlv6,

                  Have you been using Ethanol Fuels for long?.


                  Steve

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                  • #10
                    How many tanks would that be?

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                    • #11
                      You would think that hte ECU has had time to adjust the fuel ratios and timing.

                      Interesting that the Hilux doesn't like it.

                      It would be appreciated if you can reprot your progress with Prado.

                      Which fuel supplier are you using?

                      Steveo

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                      • #12
                        Pradogxlv6,

                        How did the blended fuel go?

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                        • #13
                          I use E10 on my 4L Prado.
                          As I do a lot of travelling for work (5K/Month), it is much cheaper than normal unleaded and has about the same or better economy.
                          I do contract work at the ethanol plant in Nowra. All the workers there swear by it...they all use it in their cars.
                          Sold the Prado. Now FJ Cruiser

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                          • #14
                            DON'T USE ETHINOL....PERIOD.

                            I tool a trip across the US continent several months ago. A lot of mid-west (Americas "Breadbasket" for corn) gas stations carry ethanol in quantities greater than 10%. My fuel economy dropped from 18 to about 12.5 Miles Per Gallon. Ethanol also has several non burnable additives to keep the carbon down and keeps gunk (a technical term) from forming as a result of the sugar content of corn.

                            I always stick to pure gasoline when I can find it and have a normal petrol station when I can get the good stuff. I even fill up when I have over a half tank to ensure I have pure petrol.

                            -Ben

                            *EDIT* Some stations here in the US sell E65 and E85 for newer vehicles designed to burn it. I can check with Ford to see if fuel economy goes down with E65/85.

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