Are 07 Toyota tiedown points suitable for recovery?

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Hello,

I have tried 2 different Toyota dealers to determine if the tie down points on my 2007 Grande are suitable for recovery and have been told they aren't.On the other hand I have been told by an ARB store that they are suitable.

I will be doing a trip to Cape York in June towing my off road camper trailer (1.3 ton) and want to buy a winch that I can use for recovery of the truck and trailer in one go.

Hence my concern on the recovery points. I have a snatch block and bridle so my main concern is if I should add to the shopping list rated recovery points.

PS. Is pulling the two units out of a creek etc possible?

Looking forward to your comments.

David7

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Re: Are 07 Toyota tiedown points suitable for recovery?

Get under the car and take a photo of them..

Then I will comment either way..

Will do but it won't be for awhile as I am interstate without my truck.

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Re: Are 07 Toyota tiedown points suitable for recovery?

Hi David 7,

I think the short answer is no they are not suitable, try doing a search for rated recovery points there are several threads about this already and heaps of discussion. if you think you might need them to winch out of a creek then dont take a chance, fit rated points and be confident that they will do the job.

Cheers Andrew

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Re: Are 07 Toyota tiedown points suitable for recovery?

They are better than the eariler model, but i still wouldn't use them for heavy recoverires, get a set of outback ideas, around 100 bucks, cheap insurance.

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Re: Are 07 Toyota tiedown points suitable for recovery?

The trouble with the Outback Ideas recovery points is that they are too close to the Toyota tie down/recovery points, on the later models, to get a decent sized shackle through.
(I know because I had some fitted prior to getting the ARB bar )

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Re: Are 07 Toyota tiedown points suitable for recovery?

The trouble with the Outback Ideas recovery points is that they are too close to the Toyota tie down/recovery points, on the later models, to get a decent sized shackle through.
(I know because I had some fitted prior to getting the ARB bar )

I have never had an issue getting the shackles on, as long as you screw the pin from the outside.

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Re: Are 07 Toyota tiedown points suitable for recovery?

Hi David 7,

I think the short answer is no they are not suitable, try doing a search for rated recovery points there are several threads about this already and heaps of discussion. if you think you might need them to winch out of a creek then dont take a chance, fit rated points and be confident that they will do the job.

Cheers Andrew

Hello,

Understood, sounds like the cost is worth it.
Thanks
David7

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Re: Are 07 Toyota tiedown points suitable for recovery?

The trouble with the Outback Ideas recovery points is that they are too close to the Toyota tie down/recovery points, on the later models, to get a decent sized shackle through.
(I know because I had some fitted prior to getting the ARB bar )

I have never had an issue getting the shackles on, as long as you screw the pin from the outside.

I think it varies with the vehicle or maybe the fit up. I had one that wouldn't take the large shackle, but the other side would, and yes, by screwing the pin from the outside. Swapped them for an ARB bar too (that wasn't the reason, but it solved the problem).

Michael

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Re: Are 07 Toyota tiedown points suitable for recovery?

They are better than the eariler model, but i still wouldn't use them for heavy recoverires, get a set of outback ideas, around 100 bucks, cheap insurance.

Hello Hutch,

Thanks for your comments it seems to be the way to go.

Regards

David7

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Re: Are 07 Toyota tiedown points suitable for recovery?

They are better than the eariler model, but i still wouldn't use them for heavy recoverires, get a set of outback ideas, around 100 bucks, cheap insurance.

Ask the guy from Outback Ideas how he had them rated or how he rates any of his products. Interesting story will follow...

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Re: Are 07 Toyota tiedown points suitable for recovery?

Yes, I have asked a number of times how Outback Ideas are "Rated" and for appropriate paperwork, but never got any "formal" answers or info... Makes me wonder.. Normally a "rated" product will have paperwork supplied with it at the point of sale..

My personal thoughts are the existing late model (06) on tie downs are probably as strong if not stronger than the OI ones.. I have used them numerous times before I fitted OI's and then an ARB bar with recoveries.

Each inch of weld is 1 tonne worth of pressure, theres about 8 inches of weld on them. Do the sums. They are mounted to the same area as the OI get mounted to.

There is already a number of threads and long discussions on this exact topic, it would be best to use them to save duplicates please.

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Re: Are 07 Toyota tiedown points suitable for recovery?

I reckon using an equalizer strap with the later model tie downs will be sufficient. Once I snatched an older 120 Prado using those tie downs and had no problems even though it was buried pretty deep (we dug it out for over an hour and it still took two good attempts to get it out!). You wont get an official Toyota yes or no but I did get an email from my dealer saying should be ok with an equalizer, the same email confirmed the towbar is fine with a recovery hitch. Obviously an email like this isn't worth the paper it is printed on! :lol:

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Re: Are 07 Toyota tiedown points suitable for recovery?

TP wrote
Each inch of weld is 1 tonne worth of pressure, theres about 8 inches of weld on them. Do the sums. They are mounted to the same area as the OI get mounted to.

8 inches, is that what you used to tell the girls as well. I was taught 25mm of 6mm fillet weld will hold 1tonne, anything much over this and the weld is likely to fail, so this is totally different to say a shackle with a WLL of 3.2 tonnes that must withstand at least 16 tonnes of force without breaking. the hooks are 16mm diameter and welded back and front so that equates to about 100mm of weld or 4 inches (eight if you were refering to the two hooks). the welds on mine are not 6mm welds and therefore would not hold 1 tonne / inch. Also many years ago i worked as a trainer in a car factory teaching people to weld and many of the new employees had never picked up a welding hand piece until they started welding somebodies car together. i wouldn't be to confident if my tie down hooks were the guys first weld. here in lies the problem with welded recovery points, NO two welds are the same. so as to the math a 1.3 tonne CT plus a loaded Grande is probably about 4 tonne or a bit more, so recovery using 1 hook is at best very marginal with a bridal it would possibly be ok. with a Grande and a CT stuck in a creek half way to the cape i would like a bit more than possibly OK.

TP also wrote
There is already a number of threads and long discussions on this exact topic, it would be best to use them to save duplicates please.

You wrote this after adding your 2 cents worth, does this mean do as i say and not as i do :?: :?


Cheers Andrew