suspension measurements

[Oolong Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Oolong]

with pedders track ryders, OEM shocks and a steel ARB bar (no winch) on the front i've got 530mm
standard OEM airbags on the back gives me 540mm.

[bunsen Member Find all posts View Profile Close bunsen]

Re: measurements

Getting Billies and Lovells put in on the 21st, will update measures then.

Hey KMK, how did the upgrade go :?:

[KMKPrado Member Find all posts View Profile Close KMKPrado]

suspension upgrade

Hi Bunsen
The upgrade went really well, the height has increased almost 2 inch in rear and 1 3/4 in front. I will get the proper measures for you, I actually just forgot. Loving the new ride though, a bit stiff but it rides nice and flat in corners, no body roll and no nose down on braking any longer. Haven't tried it out off road yet.
KMK

[KMKPrado Member Find all posts View Profile Close KMKPrado]

measurements

I finally measured the 2004 TD GXL fitted with Lovells and Bilsteins, has an alloy Toyo bar, dual battery, and cargo drawers, 1/2 tank fuel.
Rear: 595mm
Front: 565mm

[yetiboy01 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close yetiboy01]

Guys,

I just had the thought that ARB trim down or use (used to use???) a shorter spacer in the front body mounts when they fit a bar. Does anyone know how much shorter this spacer is and would having the shortened spacer installed actually effect the height of the guards because the front end has been pulled down tighter on the chassis?

Any thoughts?

Paul.

Spacers are 20mm shorter on the TJM kit, it does not effect the height of the gaurds, it just stiffens up the lower rubber body mount by compressing it an extra 20mm, this stiffens up the front and stops the body moving around as much, people complain about the bullbar moving, its not the bullbar you see moving as its fixed solid to the chassi, its actualy the body moving around on the rubber isolation mounts

[wally Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close wally]

Lovells and EFS coils, quote a HD lift as approximately 40mm above standard OEM height with accessories, so if it starts as 50mm lift and then settles at 40mm.

Anyone have a pic of the Bilstein 3 step height settings for front struts?

FYI coil spacers are bad news, they bend the coils if you go more than 15mm. eg I bent 3 coils with 30mm spacers fitted to my GU and GQ. Coil shims of around 3-5mm are used to level off left and right sides, some trucks such as GU Nissans have problems of the drivers side rear spring seat being mounted higher by 15mm thus giving a 15mm lower stance on the drivers side.

[jeff s Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close jeff s]

Hi Wally.

No pics of the 3 step setup.

Be interested to see it. Im guessing its machined grooves in the shock body, then the lower spring retainer has 3 positions that it can sit.

Some agricultural hydraulic cylinders use a similar system to keep the gland in place. A wire is feed in a hole and wound around in between the gland and the barrel, to get it in or out you wind the gland around as the end of the wire has a retaining hook on the end which locates in a small hole in the gland. Sometimes a real bugger to get out. alot easier to fit.

I havnt noticed a hole to feed the wire around on these shocks bit it could use a different method, possibly if the spring was removed you could slide the retainer up the shock body and just use a spring clip type if wire in a groove machined on the outer surface of the shock.
If thats the case, i could get another inch by machining a similar goove further up the shock body.
Or possibly ruin a perfectly good shock........ :shock: :shock:

jeff.

[yetiboy01 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close yetiboy01]

Hi Jeff,

The shocks use a cireclip to hold the spring seat in place, my shocks didn't come with the extra grooves, I had another groove machined 15mm higher than the standard groove & that gave me a 30mm lift from the standard position, the springs I have are lovells raised HD, the amount of lift you get would vary with the spring rate you are using, check with the spring manufactur & they will give you a good idea, king springs & Lovells where very quick to respond to my questions

Campbell

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Thanks Yetiboy.

thats some good info.
I have the lovells 2" heavy duty now. Originally the normal duty (if thats what they call it) and they sagged, as did others with the same.

My suspension installer told me that 2" is the maximum, but didnt expand on this.
2 chains of thought come to mind.
Either more lift would eventually foul suspension linkages, which has been talked about before. or wheel alignment / camber issues
Or the added lift would add harmfull angles to the drive shafts, causing issues there.
Or maybe a bit of both.

Jeff.

[yetiboy01 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close yetiboy01]

Lovells sugested that if I compressed the spring another 15mm (reduced the spring installed height) I would get between 25mm & 30mm extra lift with the Heavy duty raised springs, now my front gaurd height is 575mm,

I have since replaced the rear heavy duty with medium duty raised springs, I lost 35mm lift in the rear but now it drives a lot smoother & buy dropping the height in the rear the front came up 10mm to the 575mm

[fishnut Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close fishnut]

After clearing a path for others in the recent Collie trip, we have decided a suspension lift should be a priority, so I went out and measured what we have

Standard suspension with Alloy souverign bar (+ ~25L fuel)
(03 model that had never been off the blacktop - until July when we adopted it...)

Front
Average 513mm
RHS 520mm
LHS 505mm

Rear
Average 549mm
RHS 548mm
LHS 550mm

Time to get an upgrade, me thinks.

Is it unusual for one side to sag over half an inch more than the other?

[jeff s Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close jeff s]

Is it unusual for one side to sag over half an inch more than the other?

I guess anythings possible, you didnt measure the car on a slope??

[pml120r Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close pml120r]

:twisted:it is comman for lh side to b higher then rhside , due to the camber of the road , to make the thing steer right and also the add weigth of the fuel tank , battery! yes it is time to put abit of air under her
and also make her ride better to . :twisted:

[Chippy Addicted PP Member Find all posts View Profile Close Chippy]

yes it is time to put abit of air under her
and also make her ride better to . :twisted:

... and then do the same for the Prado :lol: :lol: :lol:

Cheers
Chippy

[fishnut Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close fishnut]

Be careful - she is on the forum now Chippy...... you have been warned!
:lol: :lol: :lol: