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    Suspension options option options

    Ok.. here a question for you: I have a diesel 07 Grande with an ARB bullbar. Since i had the bull bar installed the nose has a dipped down. I intend to upgrade the suspension (front only as i have told "you can't touch the back mate"). I have measured rim to car for front to be 880mm and rear to be 922mm.

    I am looking into a 50mm lift via Bilstien shocks and lovell springs for the front. An alternate suggestion was not to install springs and use new OME struts with ARB spacer.

    Objective of lift is to both provide better handeling (particularly under brakes) and better stability and clearence for off road. I am install ing Cooper ST's as well.

    Thoughts?
    2007, Auto Diesel Grande with ARB bullbar..Cooper ST
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  • #2
    Best to check with a few people on the site who are already installed
    50mm lift in the Grande and see if and how happy they are with it.

    While I can tell you my thoughs, I don't drive a Grande

    You might have a problems with insurance if you go with a spacer option...
    [color=blue][url=http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?12128-2004-120-GXL-V6-Petrol-Buildup-*Warning-Picture-Heavy!*&highlight=picture+heavy][b]My Prado Buildiup Since 2004[/b][/url][/color]
    [b]2004 120 GXL V6 4sp Auto D694 LTs and MTRs with Kevlar (best of both worlds )[/b]

    [url=http://www.fuelly.com/driver/lc120man/prado][img]http://www.fuelly.com/smallsig-metric/48063.png[/img][/url]

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    • #3
      I used the search and found these in regards to the Grande Suspension:

      http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic.php ... suspension

      http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic.php ... suspension

      http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic.php ... suspension

      http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic.php ... nsion+lift

      http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic.php ... suspension

      http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic.php ... suspension

      http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic.php ... suspension

      Please fill out your location in your profile as well thanks.

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      • #4
        Why not replace the front coils with HD ones?

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        • #5
          Thanks for those constructive suggestions, particularly in relation to the search function, wow. ops:

          Having now utilised this brand new skill, i am still seeking some guidance on front lift. Be it new HD springs(lovell) with Bilstien shocks(total of 50mm lift on front), or OME shocks, factory coils...with spacer (20mm lift).

          I've got two options as you can see and would like to gain some commentory on pro's and con's of iether option.
          2007, Auto Diesel Grande with ARB bullbar..Cooper ST

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lc120_man
            Best to check with a few people on the site who are already installed
            50mm lift in the Grande and see if and how happy they are with it.

            While I can tell you my thoughs, I don't drive a Grande

            You might have a problems with insurance if you go with a spacer option...
            Thanks lc_120_man. I did ask about impact on insurance with my insurance Co, did not seem to be an issue....but you never know until you make that claim :wink:
            2007, Auto Diesel Grande with ARB bullbar..Cooper ST

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            • #7
              Originally posted by wengnuts
              Why not replace the front coils with HD ones?
              Thats what one mechanic is suggesting, Lovell HD springs.
              2007, Auto Diesel Grande with ARB bullbar..Cooper ST

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              • #8
                Originally posted by blade
                I've got two options as you can see and would like to gain some commentory on pro's and con's of iether option.
                The first option bilsteins/lovells would ride/handle much better. (Not sure
                about HD springs thought, that would make the ride very firm...)

                The second option would be much cheaper...

                Personally I would go for bilsteins/lovells in front as you going to feel
                the difference every time you drive the car...

                Also I would check with Darren from ATS what he recommends as he
                done quite a few of them...
                [color=blue][url=http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?12128-2004-120-GXL-V6-Petrol-Buildup-*Warning-Picture-Heavy!*&highlight=picture+heavy][b]My Prado Buildiup Since 2004[/b][/url][/color]
                [b]2004 120 GXL V6 4sp Auto D694 LTs and MTRs with Kevlar (best of both worlds )[/b]

                [url=http://www.fuelly.com/driver/lc120man/prado][img]http://www.fuelly.com/smallsig-metric/48063.png[/img][/url]

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                • #9
                  I would highly recommend the billies and ridepros from personal experience. It's an awesome combo, best of all the billies are adjustable for when you add the heavy stuff and mated with the ridepros offer just as good a ride as standard with HEAPS better handling around the twisty stuff.

                  I don't think I'd like to be mucking around with spacers either. It sounds a bit messy.

                  Awesome kit.

                  2c
                  2008 GXL M6 D4D, Silver
                  Build Up---> [url]http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic.php?t=2315[/url]

                  [b]{[/b]ATS Ridepro/Bilstein Lift[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Dual Batteries with RanOx Battery Booster[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]600w Projecta 240v Inverter[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Dunlop AT3's / MT MTZ's on Speedy Grande Rims[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]ARB Deluxe Winch Bar[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]IPF900XS Spotties - Converted to 50w 4300k HID[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]35w H4-3 4300k HID Hi-Lo Conversion[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]ARB Underbonnet Compressor[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]GME TX3440[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]T-Max 10,000lb winch[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Safari Snorkel[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Milford Cargo Barrier[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Rhino HD Roofies & AT1410 Roof Tray[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]60L Waeco[b]}[/b]
                  [img]http://www.gifs.net/Animation11/Transportation/Cars/4_wheel_drive.gif[/img]

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                  • #10
                    Thanks all, i now have a higher level of comfort and will proceed with Lovell HD springs and Bilstien shocks for the front lift.

                    The spacer option did concern me a little. Some people have noted a concern with HD springs at the front. Could anybody elaborate (I'm a novice)
                    2007, Auto Diesel Grande with ARB bullbar..Cooper ST

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                    • #11
                      The HD springs will significantly stiffen the front of the Prado. If you do not have sufficient weight (bullbar, winch, dual batteries) you run the risk of having a very harsh ride. If you do err on the side of a softer ride the Bilstiens have an adjustable seat position that allows you to preload the spring and effectively raise the front whilst retaining the softer spring rate.
                      -But if you do this and the weight of the extras is too much for the softer springs it will handle like a boat. It's all about getting the spring and seat height that matches what accessories you have installed and the only way to know this is experience. Hence why it has been suggested to talk to someone like ATS who have setup numerous Prados with different accessories fitted.
                      EX-Prado Owner

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                      • #12
                        Thanks again all. I spoke with Darren at ATS Geelong. The mans a ledgend. Confirmed spacer option not the way to go and he has provided some advice on setting the Bilstien shocks to make the ride a little less teeth shattering.

                        So I'm all set.
                        2007, Auto Diesel Grande with ARB bullbar..Cooper ST

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                        • #13
                          Well done mate... Darren knows his stuff, you wont be disapointed.
                          2008 GXL M6 D4D, Silver
                          Build Up---> [url]http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic.php?t=2315[/url]

                          [b]{[/b]ATS Ridepro/Bilstein Lift[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Dual Batteries with RanOx Battery Booster[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]600w Projecta 240v Inverter[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Dunlop AT3's / MT MTZ's on Speedy Grande Rims[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]ARB Deluxe Winch Bar[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]IPF900XS Spotties - Converted to 50w 4300k HID[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]35w H4-3 4300k HID Hi-Lo Conversion[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]ARB Underbonnet Compressor[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]GME TX3440[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]T-Max 10,000lb winch[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Safari Snorkel[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Milford Cargo Barrier[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]Rhino HD Roofies & AT1410 Roof Tray[b]}[/b] [b]{[/b]60L Waeco[b]}[/b]
                          [img]http://www.gifs.net/Animation11/Transportation/Cars/4_wheel_drive.gif[/img]

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                          • #14
                            I wish they would fit the prado with Kinetic suspension like they do on the US model. Why do we have to miss out?

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                            • #15
                              FYI...had the bilsteins and lovells fitted on Friday. very happy with the result, got a 40mm lift in front, now brings it bang on even with the rear.

                              Vic high country here we come!! (Drive 4 life)

                              Thanks all for the feedback and assistance.
                              2007, Auto Diesel Grande with ARB bullbar..Cooper ST

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