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The Bilsteins will extend to about 865mm at full droop, so 800-805mm maximum ride height before you run out of droop travel."Sure it’s quiet, for a diesel, but that’s like being well-behaved… for a murderer."- Jeremy Clarkson -
Well, despite a few on here saying I don't need the Kings HD springs to get the 800mm front ride height (wit hARB bar, winc hand dual battery), my service centre has done some checking wit hKings and they say only the HD will give the required height with the Bilsteins on the middle circlip position.
As such, it looks like I'm getting the Kings KTFR-101HD springs on the front before our trip at the end of next week.......2004 Grande V6 4.0, ARB colour coded bar, Magnum 9k winch, dual battery, HD King springs/Bilstein F4-BE5-A712-MO (front), Airbag Man extended airbags/OME Sport 150R shocks (rear), OziOffroad diff drop, BFG KM2s, Hella 225s, ARB CKMA12 compressor, Rhino-Rack HD bars x3/alloy tray, Sunseeker II awning, Prodigy, TX3340, cargo barrier, 50L water tank with 12v pump, rear storage system, Waeco 60L with slide, rear door table, rear camp light.Comment
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What about the KTFR-101H (not HD) Apparently will give you the required height with out the stiffness...2004 V6 Grande. BLACK -Comment
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That was what I asked the mechanic to check with Kings. He's sent through a quote for the work today, and it states the KTFR-101HDs.Originally posted by craigm View Post
Obviusly I don't want t ohave the front any stiffer than it needs to be to support all the weight I have there - might contact Kings myself again.......2004 Grande V6 4.0, ARB colour coded bar, Magnum 9k winch, dual battery, HD King springs/Bilstein F4-BE5-A712-MO (front), Airbag Man extended airbags/OME Sport 150R shocks (rear), OziOffroad diff drop, BFG KM2s, Hella 225s, ARB CKMA12 compressor, Rhino-Rack HD bars x3/alloy tray, Sunseeker II awning, Prodigy, TX3340, cargo barrier, 50L water tank with 12v pump, rear storage system, Waeco 60L with slide, rear door table, rear camp light.Comment
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Yeh give them a call and they can provide you with the info about the H's. I rang them up from work a few days ago and asked a staffer about them as a suspension shop up here mentioned them. As the guy started telling me about them I got 2 people at my desk trying to get my attention. His info seemed to go in one ear and out the other and I didn't want to sound like a goose ringing him up for the same info again. I will probably give it a day or so, and call again talking "deeply into my hanky" so as not to be recognized!2004 V6 Grande. BLACK -Comment
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To get a ride height of 800mm you will definitely need the KTFR-101HD spring and the spring retainer at the middle circlip position.
Although the KTFR-101 is 5mm longer at 375mm free length compared to 370mm free length for the KTFR-101HD, the softer rate of the KTFR-101 at 660lb/in compared to 800lb/in for the KTFR-101HD will mean that the KTFR-101 will compress by 15-20mm more than the KTFR-101HD at a front axle weight of 1230kg (2700lb), giving a ride height of only about 760-770mm.
I don't think that 800lb/in is too heavy, Lovells class their 799lb/in spring as medium. If you want to use a softer spring rate, you will require a longer spring of about 395mm free length to give you the height you are looking for. Only Dobinson/Ridepro and ARB make springs that are long enough, but if you end up at more than 805mm ride height, then you will run out of droop travel with the Bilstein."Sure it’s quiet, for a diesel, but that’s like being well-behaved… for a murderer."- Jeremy ClarksonComment
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My front Tough Dog springs are 800 lbs and I only have the bar and lights, no dual battery and no winch.
It rides very nicely so I wouldnt worry too much about that.
I specifically did not want a harsh ride and they are not harsh.Marc, 2003 Grande V6, Just a Bit of Stuff Done.....
.....Work in progress.
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I believe the Tough Dog TDC974H that Marc has fitted is the same specification coil as Kings KTFR-101HD because Kings Springs manufacture the TDC974H coils for Tough Dog. The main difference is that Kings are painted yellow and Tough Dogs are painted gold.
http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...nsion-Database"Sure it’s quiet, for a diesel, but that’s like being well-behaved… for a murderer."- Jeremy ClarksonComment
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Anyone got any ideas on why I ended up with 830mm on KTFR-101HD's (Circlip in the middle setting)? This should settle but if not, it looks like I may be changing out to the KTFR-101H's. I was expecting a lift from the 715mm up to 800mm. But 830?. I will quiz my supplier and see if they have any ideas.2004 V6 Grande. BLACK -Comment
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"Sure it’s quiet, for a diesel, but that’s like being well-behaved… for a murderer."- Jeremy ClarksonComment
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If you have the choice to use Ridepro or Kings springs (for the same price) with Auto-Craft Bilstein Platinum setup what would you choose?
Need do make decision asap !!![COLOR=#3E3E3E][URL="http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?31747-Shan-s-Silver-TD-Altitude-with-Attitude"]2012 Altitude TD Auto - Silver[/URL] [/COLOR]Comment
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Personal choice Shan however there are a lot of members running both. (I have Kings and are very satisfied.) You really can't go wrong with either. One word of warning. Just check with Auto-Craft if they mod the AirBags in anyway to stop them from popping out. I know of 1 member on here who had them Modify his AirBags by means of welding them in place which personally I think is sh*t!. Not that he has any problems with them but if the airbags ever required replacing/upgrading then forget it!!! Have a read through this thread re retaining of Airbags. It a lengthy thread but worth a look. It also details how to lift the rear by means spacing out the height sensors.
http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...l=1#post285753
Craig2004 V6 Grande. BLACK -Comment
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Thanks Craig... I'll enquire more about what's his method of retaining the air bags...Originally posted by craigm View Post[COLOR=#3E3E3E][URL="http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?31747-Shan-s-Silver-TD-Altitude-with-Attitude"]2012 Altitude TD Auto - Silver[/URL] [/COLOR]Comment
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After going through " Grande Airbag Retaining after a Lift" as Craig suggested not sure whether I want to go through Auto-Craft ....
I'd rather have no retaining system at all than having it welded...
Craig yours is my preferred method but not sure where I can get it done...did you do it your self ?..[COLOR=#3E3E3E][URL="http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?31747-Shan-s-Silver-TD-Altitude-with-Attitude"]2012 Altitude TD Auto - Silver[/URL] [/COLOR]Comment
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Hey ShanOriginally posted by Shan View Post
I would suggest that if you go for Bilstein or Tough Dog adjustable rear shocks, you really dont need to have any additional retaining.
If you compare the shock lengths, standard to the ones in the list here
http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...nsion-Database
and keep within a few mm of OEM, then there is no need.
Ive been using the TD's for a while now and you wont dislodge them under normal usage.
Hope that relieves the stress a bit?
There are plenty of people using the Billies without restraint as well without issue.
CheersMarc, 2003 Grande V6, Just a Bit of Stuff Done..........Work in progress.
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