Tyres Wearing at 19K !!

[mansour Member Find all posts View Profile Close mansour]

I have my car since new , 19K on the dial to date, GrandTrek AT20,

At Toyota Service Center Here In Dubai , They are telling me to change my Front Wheel Tyres due to Outside Camber Wearing ! :?

I find this very Stange I drove my Rig on Asphalt Only and always maintaining Pressure at 34 PSI , Speed at average 100 (Very Typical in Dubai) and Heat Between 36~48 C

If I have to change my Tyres say By 30K (As per the Srvc Manager recommendation, after I made a big miss at the agent about this issue)
What sort of Tyres shall I fit on my car - I will be drivng mainly on roads not 4x4 (Please advice) :?

I guess the notion of GrandCraps is True , very very True

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[Grandeman Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Grandeman]

Something is definitely not right - and I am not so sure it is the fault of the tyre.

I've just completed about 23,000km of mostly high speed on road driving and they're not even looking close to having to be replaced.

If the camber or other suspension adjustment is "out", from the dealer's perspective, the question is going to be whether your actions caused this or whether it was not properly aligned by the dealer before delivery.

If you're certain that it was not your fault, then you should definitely be approaching the dealer on the basis of the vehicle not being properly pre-delivered. This would be especially relevant if they have been servicing the vehicle and didn't check this properly.

Sounds like you'll probably have a fight on your hands though...

One query: have you been rotating the tyres at all before now?

[mansour Member Find all posts View Profile Close mansour]

None Mate

Dear GrandeMan

The dealer told me that he will rotrate the Tyres at the 15K then He told me they will do that at 20K , then they said it is not within there service manuals and I have to do this at my Cost. :?

The car was serviced from day one with the same agent at the same center, not even an oil change outside this center >>

I find this odd, What fault could someone do to wear out tyres by 19K (Run them on Dry)

[Pedro Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Pedro]

Mansour,
A friend got 70k's by running at 40 for normal and 44 towing for what its worth.

Pedro

[Grandeman Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Grandeman]

Re: None Mate

I find this odd, What fault could someone do to wear out tyres by 19K (Run them on Dry)

Hi Mansour,

I agree with you that it is odd - I was only suggesting what a typically defensive dealer will try and throw at you.

From a non-expert's view (and I'm happy to be corrected otherwise), I would be arguing that the adjustment of the suspension not being to specification, must be the explanation for the cause of the premature and irregular tyre wear.

Sounds to me if you just replace the tyres (without addressing the rrot cause) that it will simply happen again.

Unless your dealer is a saint, I'd be prepared for an argument.

[mansour Member Find all posts View Profile Close mansour]

Nob he is not a saint

You know Grande Man (I will get this checked at the same dealer as will) - We have only a sole toyota dealer in Dubai - ä monopoly""

And nob he is not Saint-Toyota

I truly valuate your opinion and ever other user in this great forum.

After I have my arghument, and as I said he explicitly stating that Warranty doesn't cover Tyres :shock:

Can you think of other things I shall be looking for and check for a side from Suspension adjustment ?

Regards Grandeman and Everyone

[Grandeman Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Grandeman]

I will defer to someone with greater experience to elaborate on the detailed suspension aspects.

Whilst no warranty covers tyres, it will cover suspension (that may be the cause of the irregular and premature tyre) - of course, it will be up to you to prove this.

If the tyre itself had simply fallen apart, then there would be a discussion to be had with the tyre manufacturer.

But from what you say, this doesn't seem to be a tyre issue.

Others with a greater technical knowledge will feel free to give you more "ammunition" for your argument.

[PeteS Member Find all posts View Profile Close PeteS]

Hi mansour,
I have a 2007 model and the manual reads rotate tyres (using spare tyre also) every 5,000km. I have read and been told that the front tyres scrub badly on the edges. Regular rotation would have gained you a lot more km. It's not just the Grandtreks, the problem will not go away if you swap to another brand and do not rotate your tyres.

I could not understand why in my 1st 10,000km service the tyres were not mentioned in the service manual for rotation. I specifically asked for them to be rotated (I numbered my tyres and they did not do it correctly).

Cheers
PeteS

[mansour Member Find all posts View Profile Close mansour]

OK Got That

So Shall I rotate my tuyres now and ask the service center to check

1- Suspension Settings
2- Wheel Alignment
3- Toe-In
4- ?
5- ?
6- ?

Can you think of anything else I should check to prevent Pre-mature Tyre Waering (Aside from the classical tyre pressure maintenance)

Thanks :P

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Re: OK Got That

So Shall I rotate my tuyres now and ask the service center to check

1- Suspension Settings
2- Wheel Alignment
3- Toe-In
4- Wheel Balance?
5- ?
6- ?

Can you think of anything else I should check to prevent Pre-mature Tyre Waering (Aside from the classical tyre pressure maintenance)

Thanks :P

[Fazza Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Fazza]

Mansour,
If you have both outside edges wearing at that distance you most certainly have a wheel alignment problem, EXSESSIVE TOE IN. (not a camber problem)

Fazza

[McBAIN Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close McBAIN]

could also be related to the weight of the drivers left foot...

[mansour Member Find all posts View Profile Close mansour]

Keep It coming Guys

Thanks Fazza , I will take this into consideration

Thanks McBain (I removed the left foot and it weighs 1/2 a pound) - Do you think they can cause the ouside rim to wear by 19K - Or did you mean excessive speeding or accelaration of the Vehichle

Keep sending your technical input so I can have enough ammunation to go to by Friday to the service center

After I check all the Balancing, ssupention, Toe-In issue
Do you think I can safely Rotate the Tyres and Run Those Weared-Ones from the back for say 10K before I renew the entire set of tires ?

Again Please keep sending your suggestion, I am already waxing my Baseball Pat :P

Cheers Mates

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Re: Keep It coming Guys

Do you think I can safely Rotate the Tyres and Run Those Weared-Ones from the back for say 10K before I renew the entire set of tires ?

The answer to that question depends on whether the tread is above/below the legal limit.

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Re: Keep It coming Guys

Thanks McBain (I removed the left foot and it weighs 1/2 a pound) - Do you think they can cause the ouside rim to wear by 19K - Or did you mean excessive speeding or accelaration of the Vehichle

yeah that was what i meant... but now i realise it should have been right foot! lack of sleep does that too ya!