Recovery Points

[Rogerthatv2 Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Rogerthatv2]

It's been 2 years + since I was with TJM, looking at the instructions that I sent you again I would say they could have done away with the 2 different side mounts and made a 1 mount fits all, would make sense and it was suggested. I will see what I can find out.

Another point I forgot about, does Fabes have front sensors? If so he would have a VX / Kakadu bar and that could explain why the mounts are the same. Just a thought.

[Fabes Member Find all posts View Profile Close Fabes]

Brains, thanks for the pics.
I have a GXL also however our bull bars have a different mounting plate, perhaps there was a design change at some point.
Rogerthatv2 I have no front sensors either.
As you can see the bullbar mounting plate on my vehicle uses both horizontal mounting holes on the chassis.
These two holes are too small for the supplied bolts (and diameter of the recovery point holes) that the recovery point comes with.
The lower front hole is the correct size as the bolt that mounts the Bullbar is the same size as the recovery point.
My options as I see it are to drill the rear most hole on the Bullbar bracket and the chassis to a larger diameter to accommodate the bolts for the recovery point and remove the top forward most bolt altogether as the bolt head interferes with the recovery point.
Or ill drill the clip hole out to size and cut a small I notch out of the Bullbar mounting bracket so the bolt can pass through into the chassis and therebuy having it mount the same as Brains however I can leave the rear most bolt hole as is mounting the bullbar.

Thanks for your help guys, and thoughts on the option suggested please.

[fido666 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close fido666]

As you can see the bullbar mounting plate on my vehicle uses both horizontal mounting holes on the chassis.
These two holes are too small for the supplied bolts (and diameter of the recovery point holes) that the recovery point comes with.

Are you sure the holes are different sizes? I tried to verify this from the T13 fitting instructions but it's not explicitly stated.

Thanks for your help guys, and thoughts on the option suggested please.

I recall seeing an install (think it was in one of the build threads) where a notch had been cut out of the point itself to accommodate the top forward most bolt (so the point dipped just under that bolt). It may have been the OI ones but the mounting locations for both styles of points are similar.

It will be interesting to see what TJM and Roadsafe come back with.

[Fabes Member Find all posts View Profile Close Fabes]

Recovery points today.....

The lower hole is 14mm which meant I could use the high tensile bolts supplied with the recovery point.
The pre existing holes on the chassis rail are M10x1.25. As the recovery point has 3x14mm holes I decided to get a bush fabricated to the size of 10mm ID so I didn't have to drill out the chassis rail.
The bush can be seen in the middle hole below



Instead of using hex bolt heads I've used these which are high tensile 12.9 grade





Job done.........(opposite side is a mirror image)

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Where did you get the bush made Fabes? Does the top end of the point still overlap the washer on the outermost bolt?

I'm still waiting to hear back from Roadsafe on the re-design, was going to chase them up next week as they did say it would be a few weeks.

[Fabes Member Find all posts View Profile Close Fabes]

Hi Fido666
Got the bush fabricated locally, was next door to the nut and bolt place, can't remember there name cost $10ea.
there is no overlapping of the washer, I presume you are talking abouth the rear most socket head cap screw. That's because I couldn't fit a flat washer without the recovery point overlapping so I just used a spring washer. I have used a washer and spring washer for the socket head cap screw that goes through the hole that I had the bush made up for.

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there is no overlapping of the washer, I presume you are talking abouth the rear most socket head cap screw.

Yes that's the one. I'm not sure if you have followed the other recovery point thread in the body/chassis section but post #305 in there explains the problem :-

http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...-Series/page31

Roadsafe's solution was to cut a small section of the plate out so the washer wouldn't be overlapped. This meant re-designing and re-testing for the WLL rating had to be done, I'm not sure what the status of that is. Of course you have overcome the issue however does not using a washer on that outermost bolt compromise the strength of the bullbar mount at all?

[fatty boy Member Find all posts View Profile Close fatty boy]

Looks like roadrunners recovery points have disappeared from ebay as well as their shop
Are they the same as these?

Seems a bit cheaper than roadrunners though

[Fabes Member Find all posts View Profile Close Fabes]

however does not using a washer on that outermost bolt compromise the strength of the bullbar mount at all?

I dont think that will be an issue as if you have a look at Brains bullbar mounting bracket (he has a GXL like mine also) his doesn't even have the bracket going to the back hole. There must have been a redesign of the Bullbar bracket at some point. Refer post #128 for photos.

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Yes that's the one. I'm not sure if you have followed the other recovery point thread in the body/chassis section but post #305 in there explains the problem :-

http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...-Series/page31

Yeah I looked at that post and noticed that only grade 8.8 bolts were used, I wanted to ensure grade 12.9 were used and by using socket head cap screws I felt that overcome the issue with the washer overlapping. As those holes in the chassis are m10 I wonder if the bolts in post 305 are m10 or if the chassis has been drilled. If the chassis hasn't been drilled and no bush inserted into the recovery point then there will be 4mm play not ideal IMO with the forces exerted in a recovery situation.

Hopefully the manufactures redesign fixes the number of issues (slight modifications, be it chassis drilling, bushing, etc) we are all having to do to make there recovery points fit a TJM Bullbar.

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Looks like roadrunners recovery points have disappeared from ebay as well as their shop
Are they the same as these?

Yes, they are the Roadsafe ones. I got mine from Roadrunner instead as they were the only ones who had stock at the time.

I dont think that will be an issue as if you have a look at Brains bullbar mounting bracket (he has a GXL like mine also) his doesn't even have the bracket going to the back hole.

Fair point.

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I had my 500 (1000 ish) suspension check up done and the two top grade 8.8 bolts on my recovery points that Fabes picked up a while back were changed out for 12.9s. Just needed to get the correct pitch bolt to suit.

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Yeah I looked at that post and noticed that only grade 8.8 bolts were used, I wanted to ensure grade 12.9 were used and by using socket head cap screws I felt that overcome the issue with the washer overlapping. As those holes in the chassis are m10 I wonder if the bolts in post 305 are m10 or if the chassis has been drilled. If the chassis hasn't been drilled and no bush inserted into the recovery point then there will be 4mm play not ideal IMO with the forces exerted in a recovery situation.

Hopefully the manufactures redesign fixes the number of issues (slight modifications, be it chassis drilling, bushing, etc) we are all having to do to make there recovery points fit a TJM Bullbar.

Smart man wanting better than 8.8, they are not good enough!
It's supposed to be an upgrade...... Any recovery point bolted on with 8.8 is a downgrade and almost dangerous IMO.
Naturally depending how many bolts are sharing the load etc.

Hard to beat the stock tow points, good welds x4 on each piece of 14mm dia steel.

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Hard to beat the stock tow points, good welds x4 on each piece of 14mm dia steel.

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Smart man wanting better than 8.8, they are not good enough!

I think in some cases the installers have simply re-used the TJM bolts already on the bar rather than those supplied with the kit. I don't have the kit here anymore as Roadsafe kept it to use as a template for the re-design but the bolts supplied with mine were all 12.9 and 57mm long.