TJM type 13 steel bar

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nick, i think you're maths may "suck" as you put it . the ground clearance is usually lower than the height to the bumper. therefore, the angle would be greater than you calculated. also, standard bumper protrudes less than aftermarket bullbars - which helps with approach angle.

what the test should have compared though is the clearance each bullbar has - this can be just as important and sometimes more important than approach angle. the standard bumper would hit obstacles cause it hangs low, whereas bullbars, even though they don't have as good approach angle, would clear these.

louie

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TJM type 13 steel bar

what the test should have compared though is the clearance each bullbar has - this can be just as important and sometimes more important than approach angle. the standard bumper would hit obstacles cause it hangs low, whereas bullbars, even though they don't have as good approach angle, would clear these.

louie

Yep, this is spot on I reckon.



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nick, i think you're maths may "suck" as you put it . the ground clearance is usually lower than the height to the bumper. therefore, the angle would be greater than you calculated. also, standard bumper protrudes less than aftermarket bullbars - which helps with approach angle.

what the test should have compared though is the clearance each bullbar has - this can be just as important and sometimes more important than approach angle. the standard bumper would hit obstacles cause it hangs low, whereas bullbars, even though they don't have as good approach angle, would clear these.

louie

Well maybe but the mathematis was spot on. My point, which has been completely glossed over is that HookedOn his completely misread the content of the article and has claimed the only way to improve approach is with a TJM or similar bar and that most reduce the angle. What a load of bollocks. There is not enough info in that artcile to give that sort of conclusion.

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TJM type 13 steel bar

nick, i think you're maths may "suck" as you put it . the ground clearance is usually lower than the height to the bumper. therefore, the angle would be greater than you calculated. also, standard bumper protrudes less than aftermarket bullbars - which helps with approach angle.

what the test should have compared though is the clearance each bullbar has - this can be just as important and sometimes more important than approach angle. the standard bumper would hit obstacles cause it hangs low, whereas bullbars, even though they don't have as good approach angle, would clear these.

louie

Well maybe but the mathematis was spot on. My point, which has been completely glossed over is that HookedOn his completely misread the content of the article and has claimed the only way to improve approach is with a TJM or similar bar and that most reduce the angle. What a load of bollocks. There is not enough info in that artcile to give that sort of conclusion.

Schaffer, you might need to re-read the article before having a go at me.

Try page 49 in the box labeled 'approach angle'. Actually let me just copy what it says here.

Approach angles: No bullbar (30.1), TJM Deluxe (30.2), TJM T15 Alloy (30.5), TJM T15 Fleet (31.6), Ironman Commercial (29.4), ARB Deluxe (28), ARB Commercial (27.2), Opposite Lock Premium (30.9), Opposite Lock Xrox (31.6), ECB Big Tube (29.8), Smart Bar (27.3), Tuff Alloy (22.7), Tuff Steel (22.1), Factory Toyota Steel (23.6).

Pretty clear that with no bullbar (ie factory bumper) the approach angle is 30.1 degrees and that out of the 13 bars tested, 8 of them had an approach angle less than 30.1.

Happy for you to tell me how I've misread this but pretty sure that's enough info to come to the conclusion that I did.

Cheers, Sam.

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Schaffer, you might need to re-read the article before having a go at me.

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Happy for you to tell me how I've misread this but pretty sure that's enough info to come to the conclusion that I did.

Cheers, Sam.

Well it does seem to me that there is some pie I must eat. But this is only one vehicle and I would not state that this applies to all. I would not go off road or travel the outback with a plastic bumper either and thirdly I'm not going to attach a TJM bar to my vehcile as I've seen some terrible work in construction and fittment.

I believe TJM are now a major sponsor as well so perhaps that is an influencing factor in it's win? Seems to me that if they really wanted to look at this sort of article correctly there is more detail that should be included. How much does each weigh? What is the effect on fuel economy? Why is it that the ARB Deluxe is one of the only bars listed as requiring a suspension lift and was that included in their measurements? Would the vehicle by driveable after the collision or would a light weight bar simply collapse. I just don't think that their reviews are really worth that much.

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TJM type 13 steel bar

No worries Schaffer I agree that sometimes these articles are a little biased. I guess the reason for my post in the first instance was that I was surprised that any of the bars deceased approach angle as I always thought one if the main reasons for adding one was to improve this. As pointed out though they do increase the clearance at the front regardless of the approach angle.

PS they also mentioned that the TJM Deluxe bar required a suspension upgrade, and the Tuff Steel bar.

Cheers, Sam.

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I grabbed these images today of a TJM T13 bar on a Graphite GXL. Mine gets installed on Saturday and cannot wait. Should look exactly the same but with holes for the sensors on the front. The OE Toyota Fog Lights also fit straight into the bar.




I will post some better pics up on Saturday when my bar and winch is installed.

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Dan,

Can't wait to see your pics, they will help with a decision I have been working through for the last few weeks:

ARB or TJM Bar
Safari or Airtec snorkel

Pics of your rig will definitely help as I too have a Graphite GXL.

Cheers,

Ben

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Dan,

Can't wait to see your pics, they will help with a decision I have been working through for the last few weeks:

ARB or TJM Bar
Safari or Airtec snorkel

Pics of your rig will definitely help as I too have a Graphite GXL.

Cheers,

Ben

I'm also trying to decide whether to go ARB or TJM for bull bar and snorkel. Do either bars, ARB delux or TJM T13 require any suspension upgrades?

Surely there is someone out there already that has a TJM T13 steel bar installed and has tested it out. Reports and pics have it that the ARB delux bar can rub on corrugated roads such as the pics posted by Derek. Wondering if T13 bar has any similar problems.

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The amount these bars move over the corrogations is huge. This isn't due to the bar but the car itself. The bar is bolted the the end of an IFS chassis so it moves alot, and the bumper is part of the body that is bolted back through rubber body mounts, so the whole thing doesn't all move as one. With this being the case any bar, any brand that has the gaps cut to tight or sitting to close is going to rub. It's catch 22 I feel, big gaps look ugly and not finished properly but it will hit the bumper. Can't have it both ways!!
Peter

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Dan,

Can't wait to see your pics, they will help with a decision I have been working through for the last few weeks:

ARB or TJM Bar
Safari or Airtec snorkel

Pics of your rig will definitely help as I too have a Graphite GXL.

Cheers,

Ben

Hey Ben, I am stoked with how this came up!


if you want any other images or info let me know.

Cheers Daniel

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My ZR arrives soon and I was planning to put the ARB on it but having seen the TJM on Dans beast, I am now thinking twice about it. The bar does look good and seams to match the geometry of the front a lot better. Can any owners please provide feedback on build quality and whether the TJM creates headlight shadowing like the ARB does. I also like the fact that the OEM fog lights fit the bar unlike the ARB. Does anyone know the wieght of the TJM bar? Have any owners of the TJM bar gone for a suspension upgrade and what?

Cheers,

Blackcoal

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The front of my car dropped about 10mm with the bar, I am putting new suspension on but I have held off on putting my winch on until the suspension goes on, to much weight. I think the bar weighs around 65kg. There is some slight shadowing from the upright however it is nothing I would complain about, I can just see 2 faint lines from the upright centre strap on each side but I think because the centre straps are on an angle it is barely noticeable. I will try and get some images for you if you like.

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The front of my car dropped about 10mm with the bar, I am putting new suspension on but I have held off on putting my winch on until the suspension goes on, to much weight. I think the bar weighs around 65kg. There is some slight shadowing from the upright however it is nothing I would complain about, I can just see 2 faint lines from the upright centre strap on each side but I think because the centre straps are on an angle it is barely noticeable. I will try and get some images for you if you like.

That would be great thanks.

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Daniel,

You are not wrong mate, your rig looks magic!!!

I have just spent the weekend, driving out to Mudgee and loved it. I saw a few fresh dead roos along the way, so I need to get a bar soon, before I do any more trips and Murphy decides to join me...

How do you find the quality of the welds and metal thickness? Close up does it look as good as it does from a distance?

Again, you car looks magic!

Ben