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Thanks for the info mateOriginally posted by hulbyw View PostCheck out our around Aus adventure on FB at: Cummings and
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Last time I checked Smartbar don't make a Smartbar for the 120 series. I never did find out why, as theres quite a few of these on the road. I would like to fit one to my 120, but it looks like I'm going to have to settle for an alloy 'bar.Comment
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developing and marketing a bullbar for an out of production vehicle (of which those which need a bullbar already have one) really isn't a viable business model.Originally posted by Jasen
and just because... I'm still not convinced of their ability to take multiple hits.2011 150series GXLComment
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"I'm still not convinced of their ability to take multiple hits"
Neither am I and as an owner, I am damn sure I don't want to find the answer to that question the hard way!
Cheers..........WayneWhite 2012 GXL 150 TD Auto. Work in progress. Aiming to spend less than when I kitted out the 120!Comment
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They developed those while the vehicle was in production, the r&d is done, now it's a matter of pumping them out when people require.Originally posted by Jasen
Not a chance I'm coming around, when my bar has enough of hitting wildlife the only bar ill be replacing it with is a 5 poster.2011 150series GXLComment
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When the 120 was in production the then owners didn't believe there was enough demand to warrant setting up a mould, recycling enough wheelie bins, and making some bars. Maybe this was based on demand for the 90 series bar which wasnt very popular. Later when the business was bought out the new owners obviously kicked off more bar styles and production. No way now would a manufacturer go to the trouble for a few bar sales.My 150 build - http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?27423-A-Random-approach-to-a-Bluestorm-150-GXL-D4D-automaticComment
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I seem to recall them doing a lot of testing as there was a lot of skepticism about the idea of a plastic bar for frontal protection. It worked quite well against water filled barrels. Alloy and steel bars caved into the front of the vehicle.Originally posted by wooley View PostComment
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Jasen again you bring up the same points. In your opinion it is the safest bar there is. The testing using water barrels may or may be representative of hitting something like an animal but I doubt it. I haven't looked a the videos in a long time but I assume that they are using 200L barrels? So a stationary 200kg point load in the centre of a bullbar? That is a big short roo in that case. A university may well be independent but what makes you think they are certified and certified to what.
Let it go. You and others made a choice and so did the rest of us. You wont convince me that a Smartbar is better for me and I have no interest in convincing anyone of anything.My 150 build - http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?27423-A-Random-approach-to-a-Bluestorm-150-GXL-D4D-automaticComment
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As posted above people have made choices about steel vs alloy vs smart bullbars and most likely most will not change their view.
Stirring the pot a little I wonder about processes after a major impact, what checks are done afterwards to ensure the bullbar still meets its initial design parmeters? Are the mounts weakened/stressed, the bar itself etc? How many impacts is too many? Think about a helmet after any impact/accident it is discarded, a bit more extreme I know but the principle is basically the same.
What made me think about this.. at a recent BBQ in discussion with a engineer from the mining sector he commented in general discussion that the mining company he worked for had conducted testing on 4WD's with and without bullbars and roll over protection. There findings he said was in frontal impacts the occupants suffered less in 4WD's without bullbars than with bullbars. As for rollover protection he said if a 200 ton truck runs over you then the rollover protection won't do anything to help. He was talking about 5 star rated vehicles which may alter the results somewhat compared to older vehicles.
My thoughts are for an animal strike a steel bar is probably best however for a head on impact with tree/car etc a bar that crumples to absorb energy would be better. Best of course is not to hit anything to start with
Lee'18 VX, Billies with Dobinson springs, Summit bar with Narva Enhanced Optics to help my old eyes
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A link to a news item on Autoliv the crash testing facility that did the bar tests.
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...25789600299A2B
It was a 65Kg water barrel at 80km/h sled weight 1240Kg (about 1/2 the mass of a 4wd).
Cheers
ProneLast edited by Prone; 24-06-2013, 10:38 AM.2018 Prado 150 VX AutoComment
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(IMO & FWIW) Smartbar - Smart? Mmmmm Maybe... my description of a smartbar is they're a bit like a chick with a nice personality. clever, nice, but pretty Fugly, that very few would want to date...
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Without getting involved in any of the bullshit, here's my setup - installed today.
Apart from the sensors not matching, all good.
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Looks good, how much did it cost?Originally posted by Trevc View Post[B]Steve[/B]
2010 Silver GXL Prado 150, D4D Auto, with a few non standard bitsComment
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Steve
I'll have to check the invoice but I think the bar was about $1650 - the front sensor kit and fitting was extra.
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