Injector and Cracked Cylinder #3 on the Cape- Service Question

[gentoopeng Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close gentoopeng]

Just seeking some advice before I begin discussions with my Toyota Dealer. My 150 Prado D4D and Tvan were travelling beautifully south from Chilli Beach on the Cape. We hit a piece of bitumen and I tried to accelerate up from 85 to 100 and found I had no power. By the time I slowed down it was chugging like my old Cortina when I disconnected a plug. The Prado and Tvan are now being transported back home to Southern Victoria, thanks RACV Total Care ( a must have if travelling). My concern is that I had a major 120k service done by Toyota just before I left. I also got them to install a second fuel filter to play safe. My concern is that when I collected the car the mechanic said that they had done the major service and installed the filter but ran out of time (they had it all day) to check the valves which is part of the service. He assured me this wouldn't matter and they would do it next service. Would this check have helped me avoid this issue?

Thanks everyone.

gentoopeng

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Just seeking some advice before I begin discussions with my Toyota Dealer. My 150 Prado D4D and Tvan were travelling beautifully south from Chilli Beach on the Cape. We hit a piece of bitumen and I tried to accelerate up from 85 to 100 and found I had no power. By the time I slowed down it was chugging like my old Cortina when I disconnected a plug. The Prado and Tvan are now being transported back home to Southern Victoria, thanks RACV Total Care ( a must have if travelling). My concern is that I had a major 120k service done by Toyota just before I left. I also got them to install a second fuel filter to play safe. My concern is that when I collected the car the mechanic said that they had done the major service and installed the filter but ran out of time (they had it all day) to check the valves which is part of the service. He assured me this wouldn't matter and they would do it next service. Would this check have helped me avoid this issue?

Thanks everyone.

gentoopeng

Hahaaaaa INVERLOCH, nice town. Yes racv total is the goods!!!
Who did the service? Good Old Ted & the boys at Wonthaggi? Nice bloke, the crew out back mmmmm........:roll:
I hope not, last I spoke to them they said injector spec 3 to 5 is ok, no no no!!!!!
They tell me engines don't blow up & I'm dreaming, they tell me all this on forums is made up by trolls, lol..... R u a troll? They will see!
Anyway keep reading here, the injectors were due for a new set at your 120k.
Sorry to hear the bad news, another engine wasted, $$$$$ wasted, trip cut short, bugger bugger bugger.
Valve clearances will be fine, it would not have helped avoid it.
New injectors at 120k would have.

Could be bad fuel, get it checked out, they can send a sample & if found bad, you should be able to make an insurance claim for a new long motor. Accidental damage.

[brogers Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close brogers]

opinions are excellent, but facts are essential.
It will be interesting to see what the final diagnosis of the issue is.
Whilst its tempting to arrive at a diagnosis, a conclusive diagnosis will be made when the engine is closely inspected.
Please keep us posted.
best of luck.

[FWD17 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close FWD17]

Geez mate I feel your pain, our Prado lost oil pressure at the end of week one of a 6 week adventure, our dealer has had the Prado for one week now, they cant tell me why mine failed at 128,000klms, just had major service before we left on our trip, now they want 10 hours labour to diagnose, still waiting on a quote from them for a long engine,

One fact we know for sure is that Toyota's aren't so "Unbreakable"that their advertising makes us believe,.........

Mine's is broken ;-(

[ozimacca Member Find all posts View Profile Close ozimacca]

Gees, another one ! I think all these owners need to be going to NRMA RACV etc and complaining. It would also help if they register a complaint with Fair Trading in their state.

The sooner we start to complain about the problems with CRDs the sooner manufacturers change their maintenance schedules to include these important checks.

Even just scheduling the EGR and inlet manifold to be cleaned every 50k would help a lot of people.

[120D4D Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close 120D4D]

Could be bad fuel, get it checked out, they can send a sample & if found bad, you should be able to make an insurance claim for a new long motor. Accidental damage.

####, does your policy cover fuel contamination or are you referring to claiming against the fuel station's insurances?

[Ghandi Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ghandi]

Quite a few motor insurance policies cover dirty/contaminated fuel (not putting wrong fuel in!), check your PDS. I made sure mine did. But proving that, and getting them to pay is another story all together!
I haven't had any experience in claiming fuel contamination, but from what everyone says on here, keep receipts, get a fuel sample analysed etc.

I am also thinking, organisations such as Choice, can act as consumer protection advice advocates, surely someone has tried this D4D story with them?!

Good luck to all affected, I'm checking injectors every 5-10k and fuel filters every 20/40k, and planning on a short drive to Melbourne or likewise to find an expert at 120k for new ones to try avoid the problem all together!!

-ghandi

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####, does your policy cover fuel contamination or are you referring to claiming against the fuel station's insurances?

Most motor vehicle policies have cover for accidental damage.
When you put bad fuel in, or the wrong fuel in, it's an accident.

However if you got a load of water at a servo, there would be multiple claims & they pay those too.

[Anth120playdo Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Anth120playdo]

Quite a few motor insurance policies cover dirty/contaminated fuel (not putting wrong fuel in!), check your PDS. I made sure mine did. But proving that, and getting them to pay is another story all together!
I haven't had any experience in claiming fuel contamination, but from what everyone says on here, keep receipts, get a fuel sample analysed etc.

I am also thinking, organisations such as Choice, can act as consumer protection advice advocates, surely someone has tried this D4D story with them?!

Good luck to all affected, I'm checking injectors every 5-10k and fuel filters every 20/40k, and planning on a short drive to Melbourne or likewise to find an expert at 120k for new ones to try avoid the problem all together!!

-ghandi

The wrong fuel has been ok for a long time, but they are tightening up.
Yes I agree people should take a bit more care which fuel goes in. I've never made the mistake, well yet.................. & it would be nice to know I have cover for that accidental damage. We better take an extra 3 seconds to double check before we pump

Good prevention & advice.

[120D4D Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close 120D4D]

Quite a few motor insurance policies cover dirty/contaminated fuel (not putting wrong fuel in!), check your PDS. I made sure mine did. But proving that, and getting them to pay is another story all together!
I haven't had any experience in claiming fuel contamination, but from what everyone says on here, keep receipts, get a fuel sample analysed etc.

I am also thinking, organisations such as Choice, can act as consumer protection advice advocates, surely someone has tried this D4D story with them?!

Good luck to all affected, I'm checking injectors every 5-10k and fuel filters every 20/40k, and planning on a short drive to Melbourne or likewise to find an expert at 120k for new ones to try avoid the problem all together!!

-ghandi

Which policy do you have ghandi? Ive done a quick on-line seach and found none yet...

[Ghandi Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ghandi]

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I'm just with one of the main stream insurers, QBE. After reading a 4WD Action insurance comparo and ringing them up to compare coverage (specifically ask about 4wd recoveries, water crossings, bad fuel etc!) I found them offering very similar coverage for a lot less cost.

[120D4D Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close 120D4D]

Thanks Ghandi and in fact the QBE wording is one that I was referring to.

The line above where you have highlighted 'excluding mechanical breakdown' is what I think you should be discussing with QBE.

Ask them to confirm, in writing, that mechanical breakdown following fuel contamination is covered.

[ozimacca Member Find all posts View Profile Close ozimacca]

Shortly AFTER renewing me policy with another company I read that GIO still covers for wrong fuel being put in by mistake. If they still cover it next year I will be switching, they were about $60 dearer per year but I would pay that to be covered.

I haven't done it yet but accidents happen, I have read of a few on the caravan forums putting Adblue in by mistake, if they are lucky it is only a $500 tank clean but if they drive it then it is more expensive to fix

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Update on health of 150

Thanks for all your responses. The Prado is now home in Leongatha and the motor has been stripped down. News is OK, well not as bad as it could have been. Unfortunately the fuel looks clean, CGU would have helped if we could show contaminated fuel. It seems that the extra fuel filter did its job. We've got the head off and checked the cylinders. 0 compression in Cylinder 3. It seems the injector gummed up in 3 and has cracked the piston but no scoring on the cylinder so it may be a reasonable repair. Fingers crossed. Still playing.

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Thanks for all your responses. The Prado is now home in Leongatha and the motor has been stripped down. News is OK, well not as bad as it could have been. Unfortunately the fuel looks clean, CGU would have helped if we could show contaminated fuel. It seems that the extra fuel filter did its job. We've got the head off and checked the cylinders. 0 compression in Cylinder 3. It seems the injector gummed up in 3 and has cracked the piston but no scoring on the cylinder so it may be a reasonable repair. Fingers crossed. Still playing.

Cheers for the update. I'd still go the long motor. A new heart for the beast, not one that has been tried to fix.
Usually when people get rebuilds they have problems. Oil burning, oil leaks. Your call

When you say gummed up, you don't mean like this do you?

Hey Brett, There's ^ a fact, cracked number 3. Generally in 99% of these cases we know what has happened.
Over-fuelling worn Injectors & egr carbon messing up the spray pattern. The pistons are not strong enough.

Diagnostics every 10,000k



Reduce soot. See there are 8 tiny holes in the end of those nozzles. They are smaller than a hair, you can see them, like 15% of 1mm.



Change Injectors out by 120,000k either way, unless you have the DLC coated.
I'm seeing DLC coated injectors in some vehicles now, time will tell what the use by date of these is.