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  • 2013 Prado 150 D4D Altitude ECU failure

    Good evening,

    I own a 2013 Prado D4D Altitude which has roughly 112,000km on it which I bought new in July 2013. It's been serviced regularly at Castle Hill Toyota. Only accessories fitted are a Safari Snorkel (fitted about 1 year after vehicle purchase) and a tow bar. Vehicle has never been used off road, to be honest it normally doesn't do much more than the run to the local railway station with the odd weekend road trip. Until late last year, it had never missed a beat. I always fill up with BP ultimate diesel - mostly from the same BP station.

    Last November, when I was driving home, the engine stalled whilst driving home and the engine warning light came on. I was only a couple of hundred metres from home and was able to get parked outside my house. I had it towed to Castle Hill Toyota and after a couple of days of checking, they couldn't identify a fault (the car had stopped displaying the engine warning light) and they returned it to me after cleaning the injectors. Amazingly that was done at no charge!

    Fast forward to January and as I am driving along the street the engine stalls and the warning light comes on again. I pull over to the side of the road and tried to restart. This time, the engine went into 'limp' mode and although it would start, I couldn't go more than 1000 rpm and a matching speed, so I wasn't prepared to try and drive home. Back on a tow truck home (it was a Saturday) and then on the Monday morning I had it towed again to Castle Hill Toyota. This time, they told me it was a fried ECU which was $2.5K!!!! So, I stumped up the money, much to my disgust. I asked for a root cause and they basically said, "don't know, it's really rare, only ever known one other ECU to go in 10+ years here". So, I asked "what happens if it goes again, am I up for another $2.5K?" The response was, "that'll never happen, it's a one in a million chance of an ECU failure, two on the same vehicle, impossible".

    Anyway, I'm driving from one work site to another today and as I arrive in the car park, the engine stalls as I am about to reverse into a parking spot. I look down and sure enough, engine warning light is on and vehicle is in 'limp' mode again. I had work to do so all I could do was arrange for a tow truck to take the vehicle to Castle Hill Toyota and the earliest I could get one is tomorrow morning. Toyota have said that if it proves to be the ECU again, then they will cover the tow truck cost and obviously replace the ECU under warranty. At this stage I don't know if it is the ECU, but the symptoms are identical and I was pretty certain that they hadn't got to the bottom of the problem the last time.

    So, I'm hoping that the collective wisdom here might offer some advice:
    1. Has anyone else encountered similar problems?
    2. Any ideas what might cause a perfectly good vehicle which has behaved itself perfectly for more than eight years to fry two ECUs in two months?
    3. Could this be related to DPF problems?
    4. Any other ideas of what to look for int this scenario?
    5. What sort of questions should I be asking of Castle Hill Toyota.
    6. Who do I contact to escalate this if I'm unsatisfied with the response of Castle Hill Toyota?
    Would really appreciate any advice people can provide here? I suspect I'm going to end up in a long drawn-out and probably expensive argument with Toyota here.
    Jon

    2013 Prado Altitude, currently ex-showroom.

    Founder of the [URL="http://www.me4x4.com"]Middle East 4x4 Club[/URL]

  • #2
    Question one, was it really the ECU last time or was that just a lazy diagnosis.

    From there, I would assume that the ECU needs some sort of voltage spike or short to expire.... I'm a mech guy so over to the Elec wizards from there
    [B]Steve[/B]

    2010 Silver GXL Prado 150, D4D Auto, with a few non standard bits

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    • #3
      I would be getting a second opinion from a different toyota mechanic. Sounds to me like it wasn't the ECU in the first place, and likely still isn't.

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      • #4
        I agree that it probably isn't the ECU... The symptom may have been a fried ECU, but that isn't the cause. I received an e-mail this morning from the Castle Hill Toyota Service Manager and have suggested that they might want to be a little more thorough in their diagnosis this time - I'm sure they don't want to replace a $2,500 part under warranty every two months!
        Jon

        2013 Prado Altitude, currently ex-showroom.

        Founder of the [URL="http://www.me4x4.com"]Middle East 4x4 Club[/URL]

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        • #5
          keep us posted. Cleary its not the ECU.

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          • #6
            Well, the Prado is at Toyota Castle Hill now. Their opening gambit was that the vehicle was sopping wet around the electrics (implying I had waterlogged it). Despite the recent Sydney weather, I haven't driven through any floods deeper than a puddle on the road. I believe they are going through the diagnostics checks now, so I'm waiting to hear their opinion.
            Jon

            2013 Prado Altitude, currently ex-showroom.

            Founder of the [URL="http://www.me4x4.com"]Middle East 4x4 Club[/URL]

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            • #7
              Does it have a sunroof? Likely blocked up drains, which causes leaks which will wet the ECU location. Known issue. Time for insurance if so.

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              • #8
                Interesting... yes it does. The Altitude trim includes the electric sunroof.
                Jon

                2013 Prado Altitude, currently ex-showroom.

                Founder of the [URL="http://www.me4x4.com"]Middle East 4x4 Club[/URL]

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                • #9
                  One thing for sure....it is not the dpf. It doesn't have one..Good luck

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                  • #10
                    Apologies for what might seem a lack of response. Here's the latest update.

                    Toyota have ordered a replacement ECU - under warranty - and have provided a loan car whilst mine is off the road. The feedback given to me by the Service Manager is that the sunroof drain plugs were blocked and the water found an alternate route to escape the vehicle. They reported that the inside of the vehicle was sopping wet and it took several days to dry out and air before they could really work on it. ETA for the new part is the end of March, as they have had to order it from Japan. Toyota arranged a tow truck to bring the Prado to their workshop and when I asked about the cost, the Service Manager basically said I didn't have to worry about it.

                    In the mean-time I will be driving around in a Corolla Hybrid (I've nicknamed it "the Roller-skate"). When I expressed concern over whether they had really got to the bottom of the issue, the Service Manager said that before they gave me back the car they would be at least a couple of hundred 'k's on it to check it and that I didn't have to worry about the fuel either.

                    I feel they have been quite fair with me, but I think that might be because of a problem known to them with this aspect of the vehicle.
                    Jon

                    2013 Prado Altitude, currently ex-showroom.

                    Founder of the [URL="http://www.me4x4.com"]Middle East 4x4 Club[/URL]

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                    • #11
                      They are being fair because the fault was never the ECU, more likely the plugs, its a known issue when the sunroof drains block. Sadly if there is corrosion in the plugs and stuff, there may be further problems down the track.
                      I would be asking them about the original ECU cost being refunded. Certainly they have not diagnosed the issue correctly.

                      IF the original ECU was inspected, the water damage would have been evident. I personally think you should have a chat to your local motoring organisation NRMA, RACV etc, for some advice on where you stand legally.

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                      • #12
                        Yep. Had exactly this problem. Posted a comment about it and given the trouble it causes, not many commented. If you have a SUNROOF beware!. I live on dirt roads and the dust and shit is the issue. Also i recon with age ( mine 2012) the rubber seal around thye window shrinks. I can see light in the corners from the inside!! it takes about 30 seconds to flush clean!!
                        Yes 2.5k. insurance covered it though thank god. Mine took 7wks to fix.
                        short answer is never buy one with a f******g sunroof. total waste of. Mine is an altitude so no choice. Like you Piggy i have never had one problem with mine either.

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