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  • #16
    Re: Which petrol is best, 91 or 95 RON

    as a rule better fuel economy comes from higher fuel density.
    Ethanol increases octane rating, but has less calorific value, therefore even if the engine can exploit the octane rating increase fully, you are going to see a increase in fuel consumption.

    In most modern engines, the management system can adjust the settings, running a PULP will give you more power and torque and better fuel economy.
    I personally stay away from ethanol anything and run 95-98 PULP.
    In my car I get best fuel economy from Synergy 8000 and caltex vortex 98 then BP ultimate 98. Synergy 6000 - 96 gives me about the same as BP ultimate 98.
    Some of the additives in PULP like toluene and benzene will add oxygen to the combustion process and cause your o2 sensor lean off or enrich you car. That and fuel density is why there is a variance between fuel companies, often by running leaner, you can get more HP out of a petrol engine. But running too lean will increase piston temperatures etc.
    Just like diesels run lean, ie below stoichiometric ratios, petrol's tend to run rich. In both engines it keeps the combustion process cooler and is a more conservative default setting.
    stepped up the a 200 LC for towing,
    but had a 2012 and 2010 150 Prado GXL auto diesel in Graphite with Bridgestone D697 A/T. Dobinson C59-300/325 and Bilsteins. Accessories : two baby seats. Sidewinder`s Dual Battery isolator and rear power outlet kit. Pirana Battery tray, Hayman Reese towbar with Toyota wiring kit and Brains`s guard.

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    • #17
      Re: Which petrol is best, 91 or 95 RON

      Originally posted by maxjj
      as a rule better fuel economy comes from higher fuel density.
      Ethanol increases octane rating, but has less calorific value, therefore even if the engine can exploit the octane rating increase fully, you are going to see a increase in fuel consumption.

      In most modern engines, the management system can adjust the settings, running a PULP will give you more power and torque and better fuel economy.
      I personally stay away from ethanol anything and run 95-98 PULP.
      In my car I get best fuel economy from Synergy 8000 and caltex vortex 98 then BP ultimate 98. Synergy 6000 - 96 gives me about the same as BP ultimate 98.
      Some of the additives in PULP like toluene and benzene will add oxygen to the combustion process and cause your o2 sensor lean off or enrich you car. That and fuel density is why there is a variance between fuel companies, often by running leaner, you can get more HP out of a petrol engine. But running too lean will increase piston temperatures etc.
      Just like diesels run lean, ie below stoichiometric ratios, petrol's tend to run rich. In both engines it keeps the combustion process cooler and is a more conservative default setting.
      hey maxjj,

      i run e10 and have averaged 12.5L/100 over 17,000kms. by my calcs, given that 95 is 11c dearer, i'd need to average 11.5L/100 just to break even! i haven't even bothered to do the calcs on 98.

      louie
      Silver 150 GXL V6 Auto: TJM T13 bull bar, Avenger Mako TDS 9.5 winch, 2" lift - Bilstein shocks King springs, factory tow bar, Piranha battery tray, Red Arc isolator, E-Nex DC24MF battery, GME TX3540 UHF, ARB 47L fridge, ARB fridge slide, IPF spotties, Tekonsha P3 brake controller

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      • #18
        Re: Which petrol is best, 91 or 95 RON

        Originally posted by gxllouie
        i run e10 and have averaged 12.5L/100 over 17,000kms. by my calcs, given that 95 is 11c dearer, i'd need to average 11.5L/100 just to break even! i haven't even bothered to do the calcs on 98.
        louie
        You must have an incredibly sedate driving style, drive on only flat roads, or mostly highway.

        On highway travel with PULP95 and no roof-racks I can get down to 12.5L/100km but with city-cycle thrown in it's just not happening. (Mind you, I'll admit to coming from a family of lead-feet) ;-)
        Dave [url=http://www.fuelly.com/driver/DAdeGroot/prado][img]http://www.fuelly.com/smallsig-metric/50650.png[/img][/url]
        2010 V6 GXL with extras
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        • #19
          Re: Which petrol is best, 91 or 95 RON

          Originally posted by DAdeGroot
          Originally posted by gxllouie
          i run e10 and have averaged 12.5L/100 over 17,000kms. by my calcs, given that 95 is 11c dearer, i'd need to average 11.5L/100 just to break even! i haven't even bothered to do the calcs on 98.
          louie
          You must have an incredibly sedate driving style, drive on only flat roads, or mostly highway.

          On highway travel with PULP95 and no roof-racks I can get down to 12.5L/100km but with city-cycle thrown in it's just not happening. (Mind you, I'll admit to coming from a family of lead-feet) ;-)
          hey dave,

          on highways we can get it down to 11.6 with E10. i have had it as low as 10.9 with about 100kms on the clock after refuel. we do a lot of highway kms, hence we average 12.5 (still nowhere near the 11.5 ADR figure). as i've said in other threads, driving the car sedately seems to chew more fuel as i takes longer to get to cruising speed. moderate acceleration seems to be the most fuel efficient. but hey, i didn't buy a 2 1/2 tonne 4.0L V6 for its fuel economy .

          louie
          Silver 150 GXL V6 Auto: TJM T13 bull bar, Avenger Mako TDS 9.5 winch, 2" lift - Bilstein shocks King springs, factory tow bar, Piranha battery tray, Red Arc isolator, E-Nex DC24MF battery, GME TX3540 UHF, ARB 47L fridge, ARB fridge slide, IPF spotties, Tekonsha P3 brake controller

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          • #20
            Re: Which petrol is best, 91 or 95 RON

            Originally posted by gxllouie
            hey maxjj,

            i run e10 and have averaged 12.5L/100 over 17,000kms. by my calcs, given that 95 is 11c dearer, i'd need to average 11.5L/100 just to break even! i haven't even bothered to do the calcs on 98.

            louie

            11c a litre, I have never seen that sort of difference, usually its 5c or less. Would expect a 10% improvement in fuel economy running 95 over E10.
            Even using this I couldn`t spot a huge difference.
            http://motormouth.com.au/pricesearch.aspx

            http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Artic ... 27&IsPgd=0
            stepped up the a 200 LC for towing,
            but had a 2012 and 2010 150 Prado GXL auto diesel in Graphite with Bridgestone D697 A/T. Dobinson C59-300/325 and Bilsteins. Accessories : two baby seats. Sidewinder`s Dual Battery isolator and rear power outlet kit. Pirana Battery tray, Hayman Reese towbar with Toyota wiring kit and Brains`s guard.

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            • #21
              Re: Which petrol is best, 91 or 95 RON

              Originally posted by maxjj
              Originally posted by gxllouie
              hey maxjj,

              i run e10 and have averaged 12.5L/100 over 17,000kms. by my calcs, given that 95 is 11c dearer, i'd need to average 11.5L/100 just to break even! i haven't even bothered to do the calcs on 98.

              louie

              11c a litre, I have never seen that sort of difference, usually its 5c or less. Would expect a 10% improvement in fuel economy running 95 over E10.
              Even using this I couldn`t spot a huge difference.
              http://motormouth.com.au/pricesearch.aspx

              http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Artic ... 27&IsPgd=0
              hey maxjj,

              right now on motormouth (BP - Eight Mile Plains):
              E10 - 129.9
              95 - 140.9
              98 - 145.9

              right now on motormouth (Caltex/Woolworths - Calamvale):
              E10 - 128.9
              95 - 140.9
              98 - 145.9

              so there you go - 11c difference at BP and 12c difference at Caltex.

              for my next refuel, i'll run 95 and see if the fuel consumption comes down enough to justify the extra cost.

              louie
              Silver 150 GXL V6 Auto: TJM T13 bull bar, Avenger Mako TDS 9.5 winch, 2" lift - Bilstein shocks King springs, factory tow bar, Piranha battery tray, Red Arc isolator, E-Nex DC24MF battery, GME TX3540 UHF, ARB 47L fridge, ARB fridge slide, IPF spotties, Tekonsha P3 brake controller

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              • #22
                Re: Which petrol is best, 91 or 95 RON

                wow, you are getting ripped in Qld. Fuel is cheaper here
                stepped up the a 200 LC for towing,
                but had a 2012 and 2010 150 Prado GXL auto diesel in Graphite with Bridgestone D697 A/T. Dobinson C59-300/325 and Bilsteins. Accessories : two baby seats. Sidewinder`s Dual Battery isolator and rear power outlet kit. Pirana Battery tray, Hayman Reese towbar with Toyota wiring kit and Brains`s guard.

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                • #23
                  Re: Which petrol is best, 91 or 95 RON

                  Best RON u can get.....Shell Optimax 98 ..even better
                  Originally posted by maxjj
                  wow, you are getting ripped in Qld. Fuel is cheaper here

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                  • #24
                    Re: Which petrol is best, 91 or 95 RON

                    Originally posted by OFFDAZE
                    Best RON u can get.....Shell Optimax 98 ..even better
                    Originally posted by maxjj
                    wow, you are getting ripped in Qld. Fuel is cheaper here
                    i wouldn't touch shell optimax - have heard nothing but bad reports about it!! honda, mazda, nissan and toyota have told me to stay clear of it, as well as various other people.

                    also...

                    i ran 95 upto airlie beach towing a box trailer - averaged 13.5

                    on the way back i ran e10 - averaged 12.1

                    go figure????
                    Silver 150 GXL V6 Auto: TJM T13 bull bar, Avenger Mako TDS 9.5 winch, 2" lift - Bilstein shocks King springs, factory tow bar, Piranha battery tray, Red Arc isolator, E-Nex DC24MF battery, GME TX3540 UHF, ARB 47L fridge, ARB fridge slide, IPF spotties, Tekonsha P3 brake controller

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                    • #25
                      Which petrol is best, 91 or 95 RON

                      Interesting topic this. I usually run 95 and get approximate 16/100 around town. Filled up with 98 today for a long freeway trip so will be interesting to see how the mileage goes. Tried one tank of E10 and went ok but have heard bad stories re running it all the time. Not sure how much truth there is in it though.
                      150 GXL V6 Auto. BFG AT 275/65/R17, ARB Deluxe Winch Bar, OME 2" Lift, Firestone Airbags, Dual Batteries, GME UHF, Rhino Sportz Crossrails and Platform Rack, ARB Awning, Redarc Brake Controller, Rear Drawer System, Safari Snorkel, New Toyota Mudflaps, Kaymar 'Wheel on Door' Bracket, ARB Under Vehicle Protection, IPF 900XS Spotties, Allied Hammer Wheels. Disclaimer - I am an ARB employee. [B][URL="http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?17348-Sam-s-150-V6"]Buildup Thread[/URL][/B]

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                      • #26
                        Re: Which petrol is best, 91 or 95 RON

                        i have about a dozen mates who work at caltex kurnell . unless you have a high performance engine .,don't bother with shell 98 . i run only 95 octane , as my personal opinion is , as with the v8 super cars is if you run ethanol you use a crap load more fuel for your mileage . it realistically evens out , the same as puttting gas on your car . in this day and age its all taxed so it evens out .but what would you prefer to put in your car . as for consumption 11.2 hwy ,moderate load no external extras , 14.5 around town ,car runs rich doesn't even warm up . worst ive seen is 14.5 open rd 150 kph front & rear air on, cruise on v6 petrol 180 kw . im not light footed but im not heavy either . im a professional driver i also know when they cut the diesel with lite spirits , it shows in your consumption , and power .
                        03 grande v6 , with added stuff that makes it go places . RTFM people !
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                        • #27
                          Re: Which petrol is best, 91 or 95 RON

                          I've been running 91 for the last 4 tanks and I find now that it's running quite well. I can't feel any difference to 95 except the 10cents per litre extra cost. I've tracked my L/100Km and no difference, ave 12.2 town and low 11hiway.
                          Sept 2010 150 GXL 4.0L V6 Auto.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Which petrol is best, 91 or 95 RON

                            Guys just some food for thought, if u r changing between fuels u will need to run 2-3 tanks before u may see any change.
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                            • #29
                              Re: Which petrol is best, 91 or 95 RON

                              Originally posted by Hutch
                              Guys just some food for thought, if u r changing between fuels u will need to run 2-3 tanks before u may see any change.
                              Except going from higher to lower octane. The knock sensors would retard the timing pretty quickly. A bit like fuel prices. The servos will pass increases on straight away but take their sweet time when the price drops :evil: :evil:
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                              • #30
                                Re: Which petrol is best, 91 or 95 RON

                                Originally posted by Hutch
                                Guys just some food for thought, if u r changing between fuels u will need to run 2-3 tanks before u may see any change.
                                hey guys,

                                i have just run 3 tanks on 95 and the fuel consumption hasn't really changed - still averaging 12.5L/100. considering it costs 12c more, i will continue to run e10.

                                louie
                                Silver 150 GXL V6 Auto: TJM T13 bull bar, Avenger Mako TDS 9.5 winch, 2" lift - Bilstein shocks King springs, factory tow bar, Piranha battery tray, Red Arc isolator, E-Nex DC24MF battery, GME TX3540 UHF, ARB 47L fridge, ARB fridge slide, IPF spotties, Tekonsha P3 brake controller

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