Steinbauer Performance Chip

[rwo Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close rwo]

If you really feel the need for more whatever, I don't know why, but please stick with chips or performance modules that are a canbus system. Do your research, and stay away from glossy brochures that promise everything.
If I was to recommend any chip or performance module, the Steinbauer Chip would be it.
At the end of the day, it's only a small diesel engine that is running at 90% capacity from factory anyway.
As Chip It in my opinion, tried to take over this thread, I think it is right that this link be posted here as it's in the best interests of all members to read this outside of the commercial realm. After all, this is a forum, and this link does not break any of the rules here.
When any forum management decide to make decisions based on pure commercialism, that makes it not really a forum at all, but something else.
Take what happens over at 4WD Action's forum, and they are rightfully criticised for it. Any posts they don't like from a commercial point of view, gets deleted.
Try saying that Tigers 11's products are rubbish, which they are, and see what happens. The posts will get deleted, which makes it not a true forum as not all opinions are expressed.
At least, argue the point.
When I have posted things that people disagree with on here, I have always had to defend what I have said, or wear somebody else's opinion. That's what real forums are about fellows, and this always brings out the truth in the opinions posted.
When forum management of any forum, make these decisions for the membership base themselves, especially when it's on issues from a company that advertises with them, e.g., the Tigers 11 thing, because Tigers 11 is owned by, or there partly, by EMG or 4wd Action, this becomes market manipulation.
The ACCC likes these sorts of cases, as they are easy to convict people and companies on, as it's a pretty straight forward process. There has been a whole history of companies and people being convicted of offences in this area. Platt, Packer, Toll, TNT, Ansett, etc, etc, etc.......
Link : http://chipitdieselchipreview.wordpress.com/
The Roo.

Good stuff ##########, I really think this information needs to be put out there, it's the beauty of public forums with honest experiences (good and bad) from people who have used the products...

I wouldn't let a "ChipIT" near my vehicle even if they paid me!

[luckyphil Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close luckyphil]

Just read through this thread ,good reading ,the conclusion I have come up with is to fit a straight through muffler on the stock exhaust and a steinbauer chip now to find the best place to get that done in little old Adelaide ,any suggestions please ? (2008 120 D4D)

[emjays Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close emjays]

On the Prado, we have just been replacing the muffler, at $270, and finding it is within 3-5 kw at the wheels, of fitting the whole aftermarket exhaust, with no extra in car noise.

So what brand of muffler are you putting in its place straight through?

[matt150 Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close matt150]

Any brand will do. I used a Lukey straight thru muffler.

[Hooley79 Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Hooley79]

Steinbauer Performance Chips Perth

Hey Guys,

Ive been researching where and what to buy chip wise for my MY10 Prado, I settled on a SteinBauer.

I just thought I'd post this as ECUWEST in Perth are selling the D4D modules for $1350 at the moment, and they included freight as well, this was the best deal I could find. www.ecuwest.com.au

Cheers.

[Moefoe Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Moefoe]

Can anyone advise technically how the Steinbauer achieve their results? I have read that they do not interfere with the ecu mapping itself where others are a piggy back stye? What exactly is being manipulated to result in a performance gain? fuel injection duration?, boost?, airflow etc

[matt150 Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close matt150]

I Spoke with them last week. In short, injector duration I believe.

[Hooley79 Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Hooley79]

Steinbauer discount code for ECUWEST

Sorry guys, I shouldve mentioned that if you input the discount coupon code PER4X4 at the checkout using paypal you'll get the module delivered for $1344.00 like I did. The page is here

[ptnlinda Member Find all posts View Profile Close ptnlinda]

Thinking of the Steinbauer myself but not happy that it relies on input from the accelerator to work. It does not work whilst cruise control is on. Have been talking to importers and there is a new one under development at present which doesn't rely on connection to accelerator for it to work. It is being trialled in OZ at the moment and won't be long before release I am told.

[bundyk Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bundyk]

Can anyone advise technically how the Steinbauer achieve their results? I have read that they do not interfere with the ecu mapping itself where others are a piggy back stye? What exactly is being manipulated to result in a performance gain? fuel injection duration?, boost?, airflow etc

The way I understand how it works: It changes the injector duration ie it keeps the injector open longer. It doesnt change timing. The injector remains open longer at the end of the injection cycle instead of opening a bit before it should and closing a bit after it should.

Dont know what I would rather a chip play with, duration or rail pressure?

[mjrandom Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close mjrandom]

That is a tricky question. A diesel is quantity governed meaning the power out is very strictly correlated with the fuel quantity going in so more fuel equals more power. Either or both could be the best way to get more fuel to the engine to get more power depending on how the manufacturer has designed the injection system.

Increasing the fuel delivery pressure will increase the amount of fuel injected just like opening the hose tap lets more water flow. And leaving the tap open longer for more duration also means more water delivery.

In the old days when the injectors were just nozzles and the pump determined the amount of fuel injected it was a common thing to 'open up the pump'. This just allowed more fuel to be injected. Engines were on or closer to the smoke limit (theoretical maximum power) and fuel efficiency suffered to get the extra power. Turbo engines will all smoke as the turbo spools up (subject to any clever programming by the manufacturer) so don't confuse this with maximum power. What is happening in this case is the right foot is putting more fuel in the cylinder than the turbo can provide air to burn.

Which method works best will depend on the manufacturer's design and injection parameters. Common rail injectors don't just squirt for a period of time and that's it. Many common rail diesels have multiple injection pulses and not a continuous spray. They also often vary the pressure in the common rail depending on the engine speed (rpm) and sometimes load.

Typically you get less bang for your buck with extended injection duration because the piston is already travelling down the cylinder so the increase in energy isn't performing as effectively as it would if applied at the optimum timing. Increased NOx is also usually seen.

Increased fuel system pressure can be better but can also inject too much fuel at the wrong time if the original design is a multi stage / variable pressure design. So again possibly the extra fuel isn't efficiently turned into pressure which equals Nm. Increased fuel rail pressure also puts more strain on the piping and pump. Which may or may not be an issue. I would be suspicious of needing to disable or fool the factory pressure relief system though.

The manufacturer is balancing things like knock (noise), fuel consumption, power delivery, emissions, heat etc etc and they design an injection profile to match their parameters and deliver power and torque to suit the design. I really doubt that the piggy back chip makers go into this map and while it is only a guess I think they play with the simple things like pressure and duration to increase the output. Get more fuel in the cylinder and let it do its thing. Don't get me wrong, I am sure the chip makers do plenty of testing and are careful not to make something that can harm the engine and for all I know they could be improving on Toyota's own system. I have no doubt that there is extensive testing and that they are confident that the engine will perform satisfactorily and safely.

The engine manufacturer has sensors which monitor what the combustion is doing and can tell the computer when things go awry and the computer can then step in and back it all off to suit and protect the engine. Some chips disable or reduce these safeties and put the engine at greater risk because the computer is fooled into thinking it is still operating in a safe way.

Thus I am not a fan of add on chips. I know this is the Steinbauer thread but I am referring to any piggy back chips. My opinion and you will have yours. The possible exception to this is the TRD chip that is available in Europe since I would hope that TRD and Toyota talk and share the relevant information. I still wouldn't use that chip on my engine because I don't tow heavy for long distances and I am happy with what I have got.

I know this is a very simplistic view but it is hard to know just what and how any manufacturer is actually doing. Very secretive this stuff. Petrol engines on the other hand are much simpler because port injection relies on a mix of fuel and air being admitted to the engine (quality governed) and the parameters are much simpler. Remapping this is by comparison a simple task and the original map can be tweaked to provide improvements on the generic tunes. Even so manufacturers keep this information close to their chests and make it as difficult as possible for aftermarket tuners to crack the code and fiddle the books. This will of course change when direct injection becomes more commonplace in petrol engines and the manufacturers are finessing injection patterns and method to improve emissions, or economy, or power.

By the way the comments in this post are my observations and based on what information I can glean here and there. Your results may vary. This is just my opinion for my situation. May contain traces of nuts.

[ozzygs Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ozzygs]

Thinking of the Steinbauer myself but not happy that it relies on input from the accelerator to work. It does not work whilst cruise control is on. Have been talking to importers and there is a new one under development at present which doesn't rely on connection to accelerator for it to work. It is being trialled in OZ at the moment and won't be long before release I am told.

Cant think of why this would matter?
If you have your car on cruise do you need the extra get up and go.
when you are taking off or overtaking you wouldnt be on cruise anyway would you/

Just a thought!

[ptnlinda Member Find all posts View Profile Close ptnlinda]

Cant think of why this would matter?
If you have your car on cruise do you need the extra get up and go.
when you are taking off or overtaking you wouldnt be on cruise anyway would you/

Just a thought!

When in cruise and you go up an incline the cruise control increases throttle etc to ensure you maintain your selected speed. It would be nice if when doing this you were also getting the benefit of the chip. With the Steinbauer at present you don't as it relies on electrical input from you manually pushing the accelerator.

[maresi Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close maresi]

Yes, i spoke to a techy at Steinbauer QLD a few days ago and he told me there's new firmware that does away with the control wire to the accelerator. So the cruise control issue has been rectified. Even better is I'm sending them my existing unit i had in my Hilux to be retrofitted with the new firmware which is going into my 150.

Can't wait!!

Thinking of the Steinbauer myself but not happy that it relies on input from the accelerator to work. It does not work whilst cruise control is on. Have been talking to importers and there is a new one under development at present which doesn't rely on connection to accelerator for it to work. It is being trialled in OZ at the moment and won't be long before release I am told.

[Roochard Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Roochard]

Personally, I would not allow any kind of chip near my 150. I have ordered a Wind booster, and that's about as far as I would go. As Roo said the motor is running 90% capacity. Its a 4Wd not a racing car.