2 inch Lift Kakadu - Losing Suspension Settings - Sport/Comfort

[fido666 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close fido666]

I'll re-check in the morning in case I did it wrong.

[bfranzen Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bfranzen]

Your lean is consistent with what mine did. the minute i put a BB on the lean started at around 20mm down on the drivers side. as long as you measured your heights consistently from the same spot the actual heights are not important. it is the difference in heights thus highlighting the KDSS lean which is the point. time to get front springs and the bilstein package.

cheers.

[Maxwell619 Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Maxwell619]

I too have a similar lean of about 20mm in the rear.
I thought I noticed a bit of a lean originally but it has become much more obvious since I had my ARB Sahara bar fitted to my Kakadu.
Mine still has the original factory suspension untouched so far.

[fido666 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close fido666]

I have to re-measure since the winch is now mounted to the bullbar, forgot to do it just prior. Damn, I should have measured max droop while it was up on the hoist too.

[jamese_boy345 Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close jamese_boy345]

Hey guys

How's this KDSS lean going??

I have just order a 2013 kakadu D4D and was looking at lifting it this has me a little nervice

Cheers

[bfranzen Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bfranzen]

get the bleed from Toyota and if this doesn't work (probably won't) replace shocks with Bilstein. No other solution unfortunately.

[Peterpilot Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Peterpilot]

Update: Lean now all sorted..It seems the OME springs are not compatible with the TEMS shocks in the sense of the spacer that is required, so currently back on original tojo springs and of course the lean has vanished. Strange thing is , that after toyota did a KDSS pressure bleed and adjustments my suspension height is now 13 mm higher both sides at the back and 10mm higher on the front than when i first purchased the Kakadu. go figure.

Steve

Steve,
Try Kings or Dobinsons. They both make matched unequal length springs specifically for KDSS:

My understanding is that the KDSS lean only occurs when you replace the factory springs. The driver's side OE Toyota spring is longer than the passenger's side by at least 10mm. When the front springs are changed for an equal length pair, a lean will develop.

To remedy this, most people install front struts (shocks) with an adjustable spring seat (like Bilstein) or use some form of spacer or trim packer (like ARB) to compensate.

Another option is to install a spring in the driver's side that is 10mm longer than the passenger's side, but both must be the same spring rate. This can be achieved with Dobinsons springs, apparently they were doing R&D on Kakadu springs. If you wanted to keep your comfort - sport settings on the Toyota TEMS shocks, this is possibly your best option as long as you were only aiming for about 35-40mm of lift.

If you are happy to lose the in-cabin shock adjustment, then your choices increase dramatically.

[Peterpilot Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Peterpilot]

If you limit your lift to 35-40mm you can retain the TEMS shocks, but you need specific unequal length springs for KDSS. These springs are longer on the drivers side to compensate for the KDSS system. OME don't have them, Kings and Dobinsons do. Read back in this thread and elsewhere on this forum, it is all explained...

[Geoffury Find all posts View Profile Close Geoffury]

I took my Kaka in to get a 2" front springs only lift today (king spring) unfortunately due to my beach work all the wheel alignment bushes were all seized and they had to get new ones in from Mr T and they didn't get it finished.

Jason,
Where did you take it to get done?

[mjrandom Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close mjrandom]

You mean you listened? Good stuff Jasen. Bugger about having to replace the bushes but they would have become an issue anyway by the sound of it. There may even be an under body wash place like here on the other side of the island. Worth checking out.

[fido666 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close fido666]

Which Kings springs did you fit Jasen? How does it sit now? Mine sits nice and level now with the rear airbag sensors tweaked, took it for a long drive down to Sorrento today and it handled beautifully.

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MJ, just because I sound like I argue about everything it doesn't mean I don't listen.

The main reason I love PP is the great advice you get and a lot of the stuff I have learned has been from you mate.

I think you are confusing me with someone else

[fido666 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close fido666]

Ummm, I have Dobinsons springs Jasen. Way back when I started looking into this I was leaning towards Kings but changed my mind.

Not saying there's anything wrong with Kings, I'm sure they will do the job too. Now when it comes to shockies there's more to go wrong if you chose the wrong ones.

I had around a 35mm lean in the back, it's more like 20mm now.

[fido666 Banned Find all posts View Profile Close fido666]

The answer to all those questions and more can be found in my build thread Jasen, the fun starts around page 3 :-

http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...0-Kakadu/page3

[Sydneydude Member Find all posts View Profile Close Sydneydude]

Like Fido666 I've got Dobinsons C59-726 springs with factory shocks in the front to cater for additional weight of winch and bull bar and to provide a (nice) 40mm lift. Like the factory springs they are slightly different in length. Like others, I have a 25mm lean which could not be fixed by the installer. Browsing through threads I am still in confusion what works to fix that lean ... I have found that people have tried or suggested the following

• JamiePrado said in Fido's build thread that the lean can be fixed by (quote) "your Toyota dealership (if they have the equipment)... It needs to be bled and more specifically repressurised. It costs about $350 and about half the dealers have the right machine to do it. This is NOT just bleeding the system. You will also need a wheel alignment afterwards."
  
• A 6 to 10mm spacer on the right strut. Don't know how successful that is. However I do not want some extra 15-20mm lift and it's seems to be 'illegal'.
  
• Fitting Bilstein shocks. Technically it does not make sense to me (nor does it to the installer), but nevertheless chances are it may work (bfranzen or stevejau reported about this?)
  
• Re-adjusting (i.e. repressurising) the KDSS as mentioned by jamieprado makes sense. But like Bawky I can't remember anyone reporting about this procedure and how successful it is
  
• Manipulating the rear sensors. That make sense to me, but have not experimented with that.

Can anybody report about their experiences with these modifications or about what has worked to fix the lean ?