150 Suspension measurements.

[foxpro]

2014 GX 1500km with 250kg added mods. Dobinson shocks and coils.
Font GS59-700 / C59-302. Measurements before / after: 770mm / 820mm
Rear GS59-637 / C59-325. Measurements before / after: 780mm / 830mm

[MDSimpson]

OK, I had my OME fitted on the car from new, 35km's 2014 GXL.
I had the ARB Deluxe bar and ARB underbody protection, installed from new too, and told them I intended for dual batteries too.

Here are the supplied part numbers and before and after heights measurements, after its 500km cheap (@850km's).

Front
757mm Before
787mm After

Rear
795mm Before
858mm After.

Front
Spring P/N 2885
Shock P/N 90010

Rear
Spring P/N 2898
Shock P/N 60081

[Wil]

brand new october build 150 GXL TD auto
only mod of any weight - arb deluxe winch bar
front measure 755mm
rear 780mm

[smas]

Well all we have done the upgrade and what a difference: I think it proves that the ARM have this by the short and curly with matching springs and shocks. They listened to what my needs were and fitted the right gear for the job. It could be said that the difference was inevitable and maybe other combinations would/could be better but I thin value for money it's spot on.

[AJ120]

Hi All,
Just thinking of doing the same thing but instead of replacing the original shocks I will be using it and replace the spring only for 2 inch lift . I got ARB bullbar ,dual battery as well. My Prado is only 27,000kms old .
What are your thoughts on this set up.

Thanks

I think your likely to have limited travel with a longer spring but a standard length strut, I would suspect you would have the shock topping out causing handling issues.

Cheers Andrew

[Symo]

Hi All,
Just thinking of doing the same thing but instead of replacing the original shocks I will be using it and replace the spring only for 2 inch lift . I got ARB bullbar ,dual battery as well. My Prado is only 27,000kms old .
What are your thoughts on this set up.

Thanks

I don't think the original shocks won't keep up with the stiffer spring me thinks.

[ceasar m]

Hi All,
Just thinking of doing the same thing but instead of replacing the original shocks I will be using it and replace the spring only for 2 inch lift . I got ARB bullbar ,dual battery as well. My Prado is only 27,000kms old .
What are your thoughts on this set up.

Thanks

[smas]

Hi maxjj: I have 2014 150 GXL with factory suspension I've added ARB winch bar and warn TABOR 10k winch with Dual Batteries. At first it dropped 7 mm but now after 6 months its now 38 mm.This is comparative to your data as a bench mark. We don't do a lot of off road so I'd imagine with more serious off road work it would be more. We are going to upgrade to Old Man Emu setup for the additions.

[newmoore]

Does anyone run old man emu lift kits?

I've just got the OME in mine and they didn't recommend the heavy springs for what I have, even though I tow a camper. I have a bull bar, dual battery and no winch.

Front Springs - 2885
Front Strut - 90010
Rear Springs - 2889 (med)
Rear Shock - 60080

Before
FL - 740
FR - 750
RL - 800
RR - 790

Nearly empty fuel tank

After
FL - 780
FR - 795
RL - 845
RR - 840

2/3 of a tank.

[Jkspinner]

Just be careful wither OME rear coils, ARB almost always overspec the rear coils. They most often recommend the 200kg coils which w hen unalienable offer a very firm ride and about 80mm of lift. Even if you request the lighter coils they will most often talk you into the heavier ones. They are OK when loaded up, or if you intend on driving around permanently with draws and fridges etc.

Does anyone run old man emu lift kits?

[Hutch]

Heaps of people go to the suspension thread and have a read.

[olympuse620]

Does anyone run old man emu lift kits?

[Jkspinner]

Hi all
I noticed many people talking about droop of the front of min of 60mm. What about droop in the rear. Is there a recommended min. I have used Dobinson 327 in the rear with Bilstein 80 series shocks, the car sit say approx 755mm and droop is only approx 800mm so less than 2" of down travel. I have about 90mm down travel at the front so pretty happy with that.

[tdprado]

Hi TD
How is the truck going now. I am considering the same or similar lift using the Bilsteins / Dobinsons combo. Although after reading this thread, I am thinking of using the Dobinsons 325 rear coils. I will not be having the winch, so probably be using different front coils.

Sorry for the late reply but I have been busy with several other projects and have not been able to test the car off road yet. I can offer the following though:

Unless you have a heavy load (+100kg) in the back at all times, definitely use the 325 spring in the back. The 327 is too stiff and affects on road performance. The rear end doesn't like speed bumps at all, and is very wobbly side to side at the rear coming out of corners before it settles. I went the 327 in preparation for a trip to the Simpson Desert in August. I will be fitting 325 springs after that, and swapping over when needed to the 327 spring, if required.

The 352 spring is perfect in the front. I would fit it again, even without the winch.

Going to Fraser Island over the Easter break, so will have a better overall idea of my current setup, and will give a more detailed response then.

Stephen.

[Jkspinner]

Hi TD
How is the truck going now. I am considering the same or similar lift using the Bilsteins / Dobinsons combo. Although after reading this thread, I am thinking of using the Dobinsons 325 rear coils. I will not be having the winch, so probably be using different front coils.

2013 Toyota Prado 150 GXL D4D Auto

Brand new - 50% fuel
FL - 760
FR - 765
RL - 785
RR - 790

Fitted ARB steel bullbar, D34 optima battery, still standard suspension after 24,000 km and a 2 week 5000km trip to Birdsville - 50% fuel
FL - 740
FR - 745
RL - 782
RR - 780

Just fitted Bilstein BE5-A712 struts/ BE5-A713 shocks, Dobinson C59-352 front coils, C59-327 rear coils - 100% fuel - travelled 30km
FL - 815
FR - 815
RL - 845
RR - 840

Circlip on the Bilstein struts is on the lowest setting.

All the directly above readings were 5mm higher when suspension was initially fitted on the weekend.

Droop on the front, both sides, is 65mm. Haven't measured the back as yet.

Am going to fit a winch this weekend, one of the new Ironman 9500lb Monster Winches with synthetic rope (28kg), which I believe will drop the front a further 5mm. Tested this by adding 30kg to the bullbar where the winch will be.

Going to rack up 200km, and fit the winch this weekend, before getting a wheel alignment on Monday.

I'm just hoping that the alignment can be done as I like my vehicle to drive straight, with minimal invasive tyre wear. The Cooper AT3's are too good to ruin.

Only problem I can initially tell is the back end kicks when going over speed bumps, even slowly. Not enough rebound in the Billies.

When my Simpson Desert trip is over later this year, may get a set of 325's for the rear for daily driving and swap back to the 327's for big laden trips.

If the wheel alignment isn't possible with the current setup, will go to 350 springs in the front, which should drop the front about 10mm.