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    Where do i start, having never attempted a DB install in any of my Vehicles purely because i have never needed one, i was pretty annoyed at the vague instructions that came in the box, now before you say anything i realize that there are topics on this but again, its hard for some people to get their heads around it with out pictures.

    The Gear im using is all from Piranha
    -Battery tray
    -DBE 150s Micro controlled dual battery isolator
    -Dual Battery monitor
    -And a Century 50ah deepcycle battery

    Ok My Vehicle is a 1998 Grande 3.4 v6 with ABS and Cruise control, now Piranha don't recommend a Battery tray for this specific configuration i obviously found out why later, however where this a will there's a way.
    So i thought i would take the time to take some snaps of my DB install as i go so no one ever has to look at the woeful instructions you get, in my case anyway with the Piranha gear



    Right first up the removal of the charcoal canister pretty straight forward just remember where all the hoses go and don't for get to unbolt the drain hose on the bottom before you yank it out :roll:

    Take note when you have the area cleared, of dare i say it, crap, the bolt holes on the tray

    The main two on the tangs to the guard and the one on the left hand bottom line up perfectly with factory bolts on the Vehicle.
    Note not all the bolt hole's are used as this tray is for two other Toyota models so don't stress if you haven't used all the bolts supplied also note there is provision for another countersunk bolt under the battery but this requires drilling and taping if you plan on using it.

    Next up comes the fiddly part the ABS lines are in the way and require a "GENTLE" tweek, I found by removing the lines from all the plastic clips that retain them to the chassis makes it easier, here's and idea of how close they are



    Notice i have sleeved them in left over fuel hose from the charcoal canister relocation just to stop any metal on metal if they ever decided to touch, dot be scared though the tray does not move at all its just a precaution, after the line are sorted DON'T forget to replace the bottom and top plastic clips, the bottom retains it to the chassis still but the top i used to keep the hard lines spaced apart so they don't touch, if you have any line touching sleeve it in left over hose and cable tie it so they don't rattle


    Next up relocate the Charcoal canister, I must have spent the better half of the day finding a spot to put it, the only place with space was the Rad Shroud(i think this may work for me as i don't do a lot of corrugations) However i may source a smaller canister from another vehicle and go from there


    I have three bolts holding it in place and plan on attaching it to the reservoir at a later stage via a meta bracket maybe


    Rerun all the hoses, you will need to buy some from "ripco' i just use fuel line as it has fuel vapors running in the lines


    Cut,extend,and reconnect the two wires that run the purge pump on the charcoal canister


    Soldering the connections is advised then heat shrink them and in my case i sleeved them to keep it Smick



    Install the Battery, NOTE: make sure you get the right orientation of the posts when you buy your battery for me the positive is closest to the firewall as that where the isolator is going


    Install the clamp


    And the first part is done, battery tray, charcoal canister relocation and battery installed

    Stay tuned for the electrical side tomorrow when i put the battery isolator and monitor in!


    Part two:

    Ok so the first part is done and dusted next up is the Electrical side of the install, I know some people cringe when they have to hack into their factory wiring loom but done correctly the integrity of it is not compromised.
    First up a basic wiring diagram



    Right lets start off by finding a suitable place for the isolator, i had originally planned to mount it on the fire wall but decide against the idea as the only viable place was right above the engine, however there was space behind the Aux battery which works out great as the cable run is kept to a minimum, which in turn equals a nice tidy install



    This is where i found all the extra bolts that came with the tray started to come in handy note the two countersunk Phillips m6 bolts holding the isolator to the inner guard. there are so many factory holes in the Prado you can pretty much take your pick where to install it, i lined up one bolt hole then drilled the other off.
    Now we can begin the wiring, its recommended to disconnect the negative terminal on the main before you start to eliminate any risk of damaging the isolator.
    First start off by Connecting the earth wire(usually black) to the chassis, note in the picture above there is a bolt hole beside the isolator on the left this was what i used for my earth, quick easy way to check your earth is working is with the multimeter by probing your negative (the one you just connected to the chassis) then putting you positive to the battery, you should get 12.X volts, if not your terminal is to insulated and may require another bolt hole with more exposed metal, or a quick sand of the paint under the bolt.


    Next connect the Sense wire(usually red) to a switch ignition power source, again its recommended that you use the wiper circuit or the cigarette lighter circuit. I went with the wiper motor nice and close to the isolator and easy to access.


    Note how close the wiper motor is to the isolator. ok easiest way to bell out the Switched power supply is with a multimeter, readily available form almost anywhere that deal in electrical products. Switch the ignition till the dash light come on, then earth your negative pin on your multimeter to the negative battery terminal, next disconnect the plug from the wiper motor and poke the positive end into the terminals till you find the 12v source, then switch the ignition off and check that it drops to zero, if it does you have your switched power source


    Cut the source wire about 80mm from the plug, cut your isolator sense wire (the red one) to the appropriate length and twist the wiring loom side source wire and you sense wire together
    Solder the loom source to the sense wire then solder them both to the other end on the plug, i cant stress the importance that this connection is soldered cause there is less chance of it failing when four wheeling, don't forget to slide your heat shrink on first before joining the plug or you will be spiting tacks having to redo it, when that's done slide it back in the factory sleeving and cable tie it all up neatly.


    Now we deal with the battery cable coming from the isolator, the recommended way to connect them is in this order, positive main battery, positive aux battery then negatives on both batteries.
    First a lesson in cable termination, there are a few ways you can do this figure out the lengths then take the unit to your local battery store and get them to terminate it, Have a mate that's a sparky that owns one of the super expensive hydraulic battery terminal crimp, or go and get your self a decent set of proper linesmen pliers, the third option is usually the easiest however make sure you get the real deal not knock offs they have to have the terminal crimp on the but of them got mine for $12 from supercheap.


    determine your lengths of your cables then cut them, strip the end to the battery back enough to just go all the way into the terminal


    Slide you heat shrink on then crimp the terminal




    Finished product


    Attach your positive to the main the cables are usually labeled in some way or another, then proceed to connect the brass battery terminals that come with your isolator kit to the remaining cables, ie : positive and negative Aux battery.
    you should get something like this


    make sure to remove ALL tools before starting the vehicle :twisted:
    Start your vehicle and run a multimeter across your start to check charging voltage should reach about 14v then run the multimeter across you aux battery to check that the isolator has switched again you should see between 13.8 -14 v

    so now stand back give yourself and pat on the back cause you my friend have just installed a DB system

    In the next installment ill go over installing a battery monitor so you can keep an eye on your voltages.

  • #2
    Re: =Dual Battery Install Guide=

    Nice work aza....

    Good to see some more variations of useful mods
    Cheers, Leon
    There's no such thing as a wrong turn... it's just the scenic route!
    1998 VX Grande 95... gone, 2008 GXL 120... almost gone... 2017 GXL 150... blank canvas
    Optix Photographix

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    • #3
      Re: =Dual Battery Install Guide=

      Thnx Snaga

      Updated to by the way!

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      • #4
        Re: =Dual Battery Install Guide=

        Good to see another well presented how to, good onya.

        I'm curious as to what you used to "sleeve" the extended wiring to the charcoal canister.

        Went on the hunt for similar thing to tidy up driving light wiring and electrical wholesalers looked at me like I was a ghost.

        Super cheap only had the spiral stuff which isn't any good for water and heat.

        Repco didn't have anything

        Whitworths only had small segments of heat shrink

        Ended up getting a 2m length of heat shrink from super cheap but does someone know where you can get something like the outter insulation on trailer wiring. without buying the trailer wiring!!!

        Interested as to what you used. Cheers

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        • #5
          Re: =Dual Battery Install Guide=

          Originally posted by luked
          Good to see another well presented how to, good onya.

          I'm curious as to what you used to "sleeve" the extended wiring to the charcoal canister.

          Went on the hunt for similar thing to tidy up driving light wiring and electrical wholesalers looked at me like I was a ghost.

          Super cheap only had the spiral stuff which isn't any good for water and heat.

          Repco didn't have anything

          Whitworths only had small segments of heat shrink

          Ended up getting a 2m length of heat shrink from super cheap but does someone know where you can get something like the outter insulation on trailer wiring. without buying the trailer wiring!!!

          Interested as to what you used. Cheers
          Thank you Luked the sleeve that i used is called Techflex from memory i brought it off the net, but by know means is it waterproof, that's why is use alot of shrink under the sleeving then over the sleeving to keep as much moisture out as possible you can pic it up off the net sizes range from 1/8" - 1/2" (un expanded) it comes in numerous color's including black and the one i use carbon.
          This is where i got mine from http://cableorganizer.com/techflex.htm#A it has a number of uses, specially if your fussy like me and don't like messing wiring everywhere

          Good luck

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          • #6
            Re: =Dual Battery Install Guide=

            it is useful for me to locate the charcoal canister to the cover of the fan.

            it took me 2 hours to finish the mod following the same location but a little different as I drill two holes for 10mm screws on the cover to hang the canister, and the canister is a litter bit higher than yours because the space is quite small there in my car, and I don't want to touch. the oil checker.

            now the spare space for 2nd battery is ready. Probably will be next week.

            Also, I will try to create my own battery tray, as far as I know the battery tray selling on market is over price.

            thank you for your creative writing.
            [b]1997 RV6 3.4L Petrol, manual.[/b]
            [b]FUEL: 15L/100km[/b]

            [b]- Mods done:[/b] TJM roofrack/2nd battery/Power windows-mirrors/LED mirrors-signals-Eagle eyes-Angel eyes-all around/2x12.3" sunvisor LCD/Automatic roll up-down windows/Chrome cover all around/6.1" Kenwood DVD w 180Gb HDD/4 amplifiers/4x12" subwoofers/Air compressor/Weaco CF-32/4 oval x HID front light/Hot shower/Water pump/Bike rack
            [b]- Waiting list:[/b] vertical Lamborghini door/UHF/2x9"DVD headrest/Pioneer components/19" DVD roof flip down/12k lbs winch/XXX...

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            • #7
              Re: =Dual Battery Install Guide=

              As everyone is probably well aware by now, I am a fan of a good "How To" write up to help others. Great job aza! Not a mod that is high on my "To Do" list right now but it most certainly will get done when other higher priorities are struck from the list ... and now you have made the job just that bit easier for me

              Will have to investigate alternatives for the filter though, your comment regarding you not doing much corregations has me concerned about how it would hold up for me considering I do find myself on a great deal of corregations.

              Anyway, well done and thanks for the effort in doing the write up!
              [b]2000 Prado RV6[/b] ~ TJM Type 15 Steel Bullbar ~ Uniden 400SX-RM & GME4702 Ant ~ Front Tow/Recovery Hooks ~ ARB Recovery Kit ~ ARB CKMP12 Air Compressor ~ DIY Rear Door Trim & Table ~ Extended Diff Breathers ~ Safari Snorkel ~ Wireless Reverse Camera ~ Iron Ox Full Length Roof Rack ~ Looong Wish List ...

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              • #8
                Re: =Dual Battery Install Guide=

                Great write up aza

                I have bought all the parts except the battery and I am going to try and do this on the weekend so this is a great help.......off to Supercheap to get a pair of those pliers!!

                Steve
                Hers: 2009 Hilux TD with lots of goodies........
                His: 1998 V6 GXL Manual Cooper ST Maxx, Bullbar, lift, etc

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                • #9
                  Re: =Dual Battery Install Guide=

                  Just to throw it into the mix.

                  I fabricated my own battery tray and trust me, you will only do it once! But it did allow me to move the starting battery to where the charcoal canister sits hard up against the guard which meant I could squeeze the charcoal canister in between the battery and the motor so it is now bolts to the side of my battery tray instead of the inner guard. From photos I have seen the trays you can buy have the battery sitting a few inches in off the inner guard so the battery is lower and gives you more clearance to the bonnet.. and then you have no choice but to put the canister on the shroud or on the drivers side if you don't have cruise control, or a compressor there. A picture tells a thousand words but haven't got one with me... I did all this to avoid the canister being fixed to the plastic radiator shroud as some other people have also said it's not an ideal location but space does run out under that bonnet quick ... Can get a photo if you don't believe it fits!

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                  • #10
                    Hi aza, I am about to do the same job on my 1998 Prado VX Grande 3.4L Petrol. Can you tell me how your setup is going and if a larger battery could fit such as a Century 78Ah. I'm concerned about the clearance to the bonnet. What is the measurement of your battery from the base to the top of the terminal and how much clearance do you have from the terminals to the bonnet? Cheers

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                    • #11
                      Hey Jalaj14 my setup is still going strong no signs of any problems at all if you do plan on going for a larger AH battery you will have to relocate your start to the Aux position and extend the cables then you can fit a larger Aux where the factory ns70 goes i was looking at doing this but my next battery will be an optima so i dont think ill bother as i can get a decent AH battery in that rage to fit

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                      • #12
                        Nice looking install there mate. Good work.

                        As a recommendation, when crimping the cables into the lugs, ensure that the core strands are visibly touching and slightly protruding the end of the lug (where it flattens) this ensures that the maximum surface area of contact is maintained for the electrical connection. additionally, there should be a mil or two gap between the base of the lug and the cable insulation, removes any strain that may cause standard to break during vibration.
                        2014 D4D 150 GXL Automatic - CHARCOAL

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                        • #13
                          Hey guys sorry for the hijack

                          Really interested wether anybody has managed to fit 2x N70 sized battery's under the bonnet? Iv only been able to find trays to suit smaller style battery's. Also is ther a tray available to fit an N70 in the original location? I hav one there now but would like it to be Properly supported in a tray. Cheers

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                          • #14
                            A1 Mech,

                            There is a aftermarket tray available to fit a N70 size battery in the standard position (for petrol engines anyway) Piranha brand if my memory is correct.
                            BTPRA4CO I think is the unit which replaces the existing tray.
                            I have this tray fitted with deep cycle battery in the original position and a second battery tray fitted with the start battery.

                            Lee
                            '18 VX, Billies with Dobinson springs, Summit bar with Narva Enhanced Optics to help my old eyes

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                            • #15
                              Thanks leethal, I've already fitted a 780cca N70 in the original location as I run a 12000LB winch, Bit of a pain that a 12" N70 wont fit behind it as I already own a 100AH gel N70 which I have mounted in the back, I think I will just have to relocate it to the passenger rear foot well in a strapped box on an anderson plug so its removeable.

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