New 2016 Prado 2.8 Pricing

[dhr29 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dhr29]

Are you guys really sold on this new engine?
I am looking to replace my trusty 07 D4D and so took one of the new Thai built 2.8 Prados and I was really disappointed.
Maybe it's new "smooth" engine fooled me but it really seemed to lack power.
I drove it back to back it with a Frontera which had a bit more poke but I recon my old girl would leave both of them for dead.
The finish on the Prados has never been their strong point but they seem to have dropped down another level.
As for your pricing it seems like Toyota are taking us for a ride at $70K for a GXL diesel auto.
I really wanted to buy another Prado but comparing it to the Jap built Pajero Exceed for the same money I'm left scratching my head why I should buy one.
Please don't attack me, I'm a real Toyota fan but I really feel we are being taken for granted with this new model.
Are people really such die hard Toyota fans that they think they are getting a good deal here?

[JPM21 Member Find all posts View Profile Close JPM21]

Hi dhr the Prado is not built in Thailand it is still manufactured in Japan. Prices are always higher at the start of an update, they will come down. The Pajeros are good value for money but when buying new the better resale of the Toyota can't be ignored. The Pajero becomes great value second hand but if buying new wait a little longer and the resale will be worth the wait. Compare your resale of your car now to a same year Pajero on red book.

[juc33_prado Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close juc33_prado]

Hi dhr the Prado is not built in Thailand it is still manufactured in Japan. Prices are always higher at the start of an update, they will come down. The Pajeros are good value for money but when buying new the better resale of the Toyota can't be ignored. The Pajero becomes great value second hand but if buying new wait a little longer and the resale will be worth the wait. Compare your resale of your car now to a same year Pajero on red book.

i don't buy a car based on resale, i buy a car that i want to work, and work well and be good to drive

SAM

[slipperyskakadu Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close slipperyskakadu]

Are you guys really sold on this new engine?
I am looking to replace my trusty 07 D4D and so took one of the new Thai built 2.8 Prados and I was really disappointed.
Maybe it's new "smooth" engine fooled me but it really seemed to lack power.
I drove it back to back it with a Frontera which had a bit more poke but I recon my old girl would leave both of them for dead.
The finish on the Prados has never been their strong point but they seem to have dropped down another level.
As for your pricing it seems like Toyota are taking us for a ride at $70K for a GXL diesel auto.
I really wanted to buy another Prado but comparing it to the Jap built Pajero Exceed for the same money I'm left scratching my head why I should buy one.
Please don't attack me, I'm a real Toyota fan but I really feel we are being taken for granted with this new model.
Are people really such die hard Toyota fans that they think they are getting a good deal here?

You need to compare apples with apples though. Your comparing the exceed to a gxl. You need to compare the kakadu with the exceed or the gxl with the glx for a fair comparison. Of course driving the exceed with all the bells and whistles is going to feel better. Your surrounded by luxury.

As for the 2.8. Try find one to drive that's done at least 1000kms. Mine only started opening up now and its on 7500km. Power wise there isn't alot of difference. Its a million times quiter though and 15 years newer than the 1kd. I'd agree with you at first it feels sluggish but i love driving mine now and it's definitely learnt my driving style.

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[120D4D Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close 120D4D]

You need to compare apples with apples though. Your comparing the exceed to a gxl. You need to compare the kakadu with the exceed or the gxl with the glx for a fair comparison. Of course driving the exceed with all the bells and whistles is going to feel better. Your surrounded by luxury.

As for the 2.8. Try find one to drive that's done at least 1000kms. Mine only started opening up now and its on 7500km. Power wise there isn't alot of difference. Its a million times quiter though and 15 years newer than the 1kd. I'd agree with you at first it feels sluggish but i love driving mine now and it's definitely learnt my driving style.

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Agreed - mine just tipped over 3,000kms and is opening up nicely. Its much more responsive that when it had 7kms on the clock and is driving very nicely now.

[Stoo Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stoo]

Resale value was a very important consideration for me. I just sold my 10 year old Ford Territory AWD Ghia (220,000 km) at auction for $3,000.
The brand new price for the equivalent top model Territory is $61k the same as I just paid for my new 2.8L GXL Prado.

I'm hoping that my Prado will still be worth $18,000 in 10 years.
I'll probably save at least $15,000 in fuel over the next 10 years (I was getting 17L/100km from the Territory).
I'd hope to save at least $5,000 in repairs based on Toyota reliability v Ford.

So overall, my next 10 years of motoring should cost $35K less than the last 10 years in the Territory - and I can actually take it off road!

[Prado_Dave Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Prado_Dave]

Stoo I just sold my 08 Petrol GXL 120 for $25k. Not quite 10 year old, but not far off it....

[Citizenbane Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Citizenbane]

Resale value was a very important consideration for me. I just sold my 10 year old Ford Territory AWD Ghia (220,000 km) at auction for $3,000.
The brand new price for the equivalent top model Territory is $61k the same as I just paid for my new 2.8L GXL Prado.

I'm hoping that my Prado will still be worth $18,000 in 10 years.
I'll probably save at least $15,000 in fuel over the next 10 years (I was getting 17L/100km from the Territory).
I'd hope to save at least $5,000 in repairs based on Toyota reliability v Ford.

So overall, my next 10 years of motoring should cost $35K less than the last 10 years in the Territory - and I can actually take it off road!

I would reconsider your numbers a little, a top of the range Titanium should be had for under 50k. At work the rail maintenance guys use the diesel AWD Territories and absolutely love them. They were getting 20k at auction with over 200 clicks on them so good resale on them seeing they buy the base model for high 30s. i haven't followed auction results for a couple of years now so now are probably less.

I actually would look at the diesel Territory as they drive 2 or 3 generations better than the Prados and Patrols at work but they have no low range and only 2.7 tonne towing capacity. So Fortuner for me.

[Stoo Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stoo]

I got the $61k from the Ford web site. Perhaps you could haggle a better deal.
The diesel Territories may end up with better resale than the petrol ones, but there are no 10 year old diesels yet to compare.
Good luck selling any 2005 Territory for $20k. Apparently the ex-police ones go for $25k at auction with around 100,000km on the clock - but they are only a few years old.
The engine in the Territory was fine after 220,000km but everything else around it was falling apart. I just don't think Ford's age very well.
They are certainly more 'car like' to drive, but no real off-road ability due to the lack of ground clearance for a start. I'd be comparing them to a Kluger - not a Prado.

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The Territory is not a 4WD, so not really the right comparison

[dhr29 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dhr29]

Thanks for all the advice, the salesman told me they are now made in Thailand so go figure.
I understand about the engines freeing up but I remember how well my 3.0 went when it was new.
What's really exciting is what people are claiming with an ECU modifying chip.
Toyota have obviously de-rated this engine.
That said I'm going to give the Pajero and Everest a good look as they seem much better value.
As for resale that's good if you wan to turn your cars over every few years and it does reflect on the cars popularity.
Anyway please keep this great thread going it is very helpful to buyers.

[Yellowdog Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close Yellowdog]

dhr29 said:
That said I'm going to give the Pajero and Everest a good look as they seem much better value.

Pajero is certainly cheaper. I have a Prado because my 2012 Pajero (with 45k on the clock) broke down in regional WA with diesel engine problems. After 2 weeks, the dealer said that they had no idea when it would be fixed and had no idea what was wrong with it. The dealer was doing his best but Mitsubishi were completely unhelpful and told me that they took up to 4 days to respond to each dealer query.

Any car can break down but I'll never buy another Mitsubishi because the company doesn't care less if you break down thousands of kms from home.

As they say, just my 2c worth.

[gustopher Lurker Find all posts View Profile Close gustopher]

Traded my 2008 GXL petrol with 150k's for an auto white 2.8L TD.

$40K change over at Torque Toyota. Deal was $23k on the trade-in with $63k on new one. Probably could have done better with a private sale but very happy with service and the deal. Was offered 16k trade at another deal... pfft.

Didn't buy into any of the after market gear.

[nanbar Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close nanbar]

Thanks for all the advice, the salesman told me they are now made in Thailand so go figure.
I understand about the engines freeing up but I remember how well my 3.0 went when it was new.
What's really exciting is what people are claiming with an ECU modifying chip.
Toyota have obviously de-rated this engine.
That said I'm going to give the Pajero and Everest a good look as they seem much better value.
As for resale that's good if you wan to turn your cars over every few years and it does reflect on the cars popularity.
Anyway please keep this great thread going it is very helpful to buyers.

My 2c worth? Its not a Toyota, plain and simple. Wouldn't have any of the other 4WDs if you gave the to me. An old bloke I know who has owned Landcruisers since 1967 always says, "if you can stretch the budget to afford a Toyota, do it every day of the week and twice on Sundays". I have had various 4WDs since 1986 and Toyotas since 2001. Wouldn't swap brands for anything. Heard too many horror stories with the all the other brands, heard mostly good things about Toyotas. Before I bought the 150 in Jan this year, I was contemplating buying a Land Rover Discovery, could bring myself to do it. Again, too many horror stories mainly involving $$$$ to repair. When I was in a my mechanic getting the roady for the old girl, he had a relative newish Disco on the hoist. I asked him what it was in for and he replied brake pads and new discs. I said "Expensive?" to which he replied "$3800 just for the parts". That was the end of that idea for me. I have a mate who works for Ford, he has been working on the new Ranger program. He reckons Toyota are quaking in their boots over the Ranger. I reckons they (Ford) are dreaming.

[Danda Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Danda]

My 2c worth? Its not a Toyota, plain and simple. Wouldn't have any of the other 4WDs if you gave the to me. An old bloke I know who has owned Landcruisers since 1967 always says, "if you can stretch the budget to afford a Toyota, do it every day of the week and twice on Sundays". I have had various 4WDs since 1986 and Toyotas since 2001. Wouldn't swap brands for anything. Heard too many horror stories with the all the other brands, heard mostly good things about Toyotas. Before I bought the 150 in Jan this year, I was contemplating buying a Land Rover Discovery, could bring myself to do it. Again, too many horror stories mainly involving $$$$ to repair. When I was in a my mechanic getting the roady for the old girl, he had a relative newish Disco on the hoist. I asked him what it was in for and he replied brake pads and new discs. I said "Expensive?" to which he replied "$3800 just for the parts". That was the end of that idea for me. I have a mate who works for Ford, he has been working on the new Ranger program. He reckons Toyota are quaking in their boots over the Ranger. I reckons they (Ford) are dreaming.

God made lemons and Ford put wheels on them sums them up perfectly for me every single one cost me dear and I bitterly regret paying good money for all of them NEVER go there again.......................