2018 Facelifted Prado - lack of engine options likely to remain

[Atherton Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Atherton]

How many cars should I buy. We sometimes go 4wding, we usually just drive on bitumen, I also like to tow things and carry things. Sometimes I cant afford much fuel or would like to lane filter. So now I have about 4 cars and a bike. I can't afford to do anything because the rego and insurance are huge and I needed to build a huge garage.

They are cars and should be able to run short and long trips. This is 2018, not 1948.

I'm not neccessarily saying you can't have it (it's none of my business)- I just don't think it's especially onerous that a manufacturer requires you to drive their car at highway speeds for half an hour every week or so. Apart from anything else, you're slowing killing your car by just doing short trips all the time- I've lived in brisbane for a little while (while I was at Uni) and I could never work out (as someone who grew up and lived in the bush) why people would choose to drive a 4wd as a daily driver in the city- They're big, cumbersome amd hard to park in tight spaces. If I had to live in the city and own a prado, I'd probably have a corolla or something similar that I could drive around it instead of taking out the tank when i wanted to go and pick the papers and milk up.

[stevensr34 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close stevensr34]

They are cars and should be able to run short and long trips. This is 2018, not 1948.

And the thing is, a petrol engine CAN do long and short trips without these issues!

[tonykarter15 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tonykarter15]

Im really interested in this thread. I have a 3.0L D4D 2013 prado without the particle filter. should I be hanging onto this model if the 2.8L has so many issues with this item?

[BiLLz0r Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close BiLLz0r]

I filled in the following form:

https://www.toyota.com.au/contact-us...ryType=Website

Hope lots of others do this too... Might (or might not) get somewhere!

Thanks, form filled in and submitted.

[CamJam Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close CamJam]

To that I would reply that people need to buy vehicles that suit their needs- Chances are if you're doing those small trips with low kms (probably on bitumen) you should be driving a corolla (or other car)- Not a 4wd. As for why they are built in- It's a reality that Diesels are dirtier than petrols (by some measures) and that DPF's are an attempt to make them cleaner (same with Adblu).

Awww c'mon! This is a low and repetitive rubbish argument touted everywhere - although I hadn't seen it on Prado Point until now. Funnily enough, there are plenty of families that can only have one car - could be cost, could be inner-city living with only one car space, could be only one drives. They may want to go 4WDriving on the weekend - should they buy two cars? If the family does have two cars - like ours - then oddly enough both cars need to get us both to work during the week in different directions to each other - and one even does the school drop off/ pick up (my Prado does the pick up). Should we buy a third car so I can go 4WDriving? Or should I fork out $20 on a corolla plus rego, insurance and the like just so I am not seen driving a 4WD to pick my kids up from school in?

No, I bought a Prado. It does the School pick up. It drives me to work and back in city driving each day - that's probably those people in Brisbane you saw each day. And I go touring/ 4WDriving occasionally - they'd be the people you wouldn't see in Brisbane, as they're out. So I DID buy a car that suits my needs.

Whats more - I bought a car that is heavily marketed as being a car that can absolutely do that (which I think was MDS69's point).

Your reply is also ignores my earlier comment where I pointed out to you that the DPF fails on this car are not related to the persons driving habits. It's a design fault not only admitted by Toyota with the recall, but something they are working on providing a long term fix for.

[BiLLz0r Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close BiLLz0r]

Here Here Cam.
I went on Car sales today to look for 2014+ V6 150 series (the previous facelift model) in auto and white (love white cars). There are 5 nationwide (it shows 6 but 1 is a D4D and I've reported it for error). It seems like no one's parting with them now.
If I look at the Ford Everest (only been out since 2015), there are 108 white models nationwide.
If I look at the auto MU-X (only been out since 2014), there are 186 white models nationwide.
I know not as many V6 150's were sold but still. I'm so nervous I'm going to be buying a lemon diesel as it seems so much more common.
Not to mention diesels are so freaking slow. I know a 4wd isn't meant to be a race car but the V6's have some boogy for overtaking.
Now I'm just whinging, haha

[CamJam Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close CamJam]

Im really interested in this thread. I have a 3.0L D4D 2013 prado without the particle filter. should I be hanging onto this model if the 2.8L has so many issues with this item?

Look, I've had a rough trot with it - but there are literally thousands out there (a month, just looking at the sales figures!) who have not. If there were, then I am sure there would be more on this forum that (at a rough guess) about a dozen people with a DPF issue. I would suggest that you could hang onto your current model, but it's only going to get older and sooner or later, you're going to upgrade either to a Petrol or another Diesel that will have DPF, EGR and likely AdBlue from then onwards... At least you wouldn't have a car with AdBlue if you upgraded now...

FWIW, the last DPF seems to have fixed my issues - it's gone for around 10,00km's with absolutely no drama's. 3000 of that was a trip from Canberra to the Flinders, and another stint in Tasmania for only a week or so. Perhaps there was a bad batch of filters? I'm the only one I know of that has had two DPFs and it was pretty soon after I got my car in late 2016 that I had the first one replaced. The second one was around Sept or Oct 2017 and it's been fine since then.

Personally, I'd choose a petrol as my next car. But there's more than just two DPFs in that decision. If I were to go Diesel, then I'd chose the same car over and over and over again.

[Atherton Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Atherton]

Awww c'mon! This is a low and repetitive rubbish argument touted everywhere - although I hadn't seen it on Prado Point until now. Funnily enough, there are plenty of families that can only have one car - could be cost, could be inner-city living with only one car space, could be only one drives. They may want to go 4WDriving on the weekend - should they buy two cars? If the family does have two cars - like ours - then oddly enough both cars need to get us both to work during the week in different directions to each other - and one even does the school drop off/ pick up (my Prado does the pick up). Should we buy a third car so I can go 4WDriving? Or should I fork out $20 on a corolla plus rego, insurance and the like just so I am not seen driving a 4WD to pick my kids up from school in?

No, I bought a Prado. It does the School pick up. It drives me to work and back in city driving each day - that's probably those people in Brisbane you saw each day. And I go touring/ 4WDriving occasionally - they'd be the people you wouldn't see in Brisbane, as they're out. So I DID buy a car that suits my needs.

Whats more - I bought a car that is heavily marketed as being a car that can absolutely do that (which I think was MDS69's point).

Your reply is also ignores my earlier comment where I pointed out to you that the DPF fails on this car are not related to the persons driving habits. It's a design fault not only admitted by Toyota with the recall, but something they are working on providing a long term fix for.

I was replying to someone else, but I'll quote you, so you'd don't feel left out
As I said to the previous comment, this is not intended to be taken personally- I couldn't honestly give a toss either way whether you own one or not, however as you have rightly said Toyota market this car as one that can drop the kids off and do 4wding on the weekend. To that I would say that if you've got a car that can do such a variety of things, then you must accept design compromises (one of which I would argue is a DPF)

I honestly haven't heard about too many failing Toyota DPF’s (but i'm not really listening as I've got a D4D and it's not something that concerns me). I do know that a lot of other manufacturers are also having problems with them clogging up as they aren't being driving properly. As I said previously, I really don't think it's too onerous to expect someone to drive at highway speeds for half an hour every week- If you can't do that, then maybe don't buy this car. In relation to Toyota specifically, I guess there might be a case of giving them some slack as its new tech for them implementing it in this way- Although that slack would depend on how they are treating their customers who do present with blocked DPF's. If as you say they are working on a fix and plan to possibly issue a recall or reimburse people who have had to fork out the huge amount of money to fix them, then all good.

I guess if you really want a petrol 4wd you could go and buy a Y62- Although I've heard that when you buy one, the Nissan dealership makes you sign a piece of paper acknowledging the revoking of your man card and to swear black and blue on Facebook threads that they use less fuel than a (diesel) 200 series, you also have to claim that HP is everything and that nobody cares about torque.

[CamJam Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close CamJam]

then you must accept design compromises (one of which I would argue is a DPF)

I honestly haven't heard about too many failing Toyota DPF’s (but i'm not really listening as I've got a D4D and it's not something that concerns me). I do know that a lot of other manufacturers are also having problems with them clogging up as they aren't being driving properly. As I said previously, I really don't think it's too onerous to expect someone to drive at highway speeds for half an hour every week- If you can't do that, then maybe don't buy this car. In relation to Toyota specifically, I guess there might be a case of giving them some slack as its new tech for them implementing it in this way- Although that slack would depend on how they are treating their customers who do present with blocked DPF's. If as you say they are working on a fix and plan to possibly issue a recall or reimburse people who have had to fork out the huge amount of money to fix them, then all good.

I guess if you really want a petrol 4wd you could go and buy a Y62- Although I've heard that when you buy one, the Nissan dealership makes you sign a piece of paper acknowledging the revoking of your man card and to swear black and blue on Facebook threads that they use less fuel than a (diesel) 200 series, you also have to claim that HP is everything and that nobody cares about torque.

Ha! This is true about Patrol owners and their fuel claims - I've been reading up on them a fair bit lately. It's good though - it's what I will show to the other half in case we make that leap. It does, however, have a fair bit more torque than the Prado... (just starting on making up justifications myself).

You're right on giving some slack to Toyota - and in my other posts I have been at pains to point out that my local dealership is awesome and the support they're getting from higher up appears to be good too. But at the same time, my Prado goes in for it's 23rd day off the road this Thursday, and that's not including regular servicing. At what point...?

[Atherton Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Atherton]

Yeah, I can understand that frustration mate- Are they at least giving you a decent replacement car? You'd have to be thinking that you can twist their arm on maybe giving you a discount on some future services etc. As for the Y62's they are nice trucks- I just think that I'd be putting my money into a used 200 before I'd be buying one- Probably a non DPF diesel

[CamJam Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close CamJam]

Replacement car I get this Thursday for the first time. It's something I had to get head office to approve apparently. I'm weighing up between a new Patrol and a used LC200 petrol - but the petrol LC200 just doesn't seem to be anywhere near as powerful, nor has the GXL got any of the features...

But I have also seen a 2017 $65K Kakadu with 30-odd thousand K's on it from a dealer in petrol. But for it being red, I'd jump at it. Still may though...

Anyway - here's hoping it gets sorted soon. There are a few things I have been holding off on putting on the car just in case it needs to make its way into another family. If it gets sorted it's perfectly the car I bought and hoped it to be from day dot...

[Atherton Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Atherton]

Yeah, hope they get it sorted. I'd honestly go the diesel if going a LC200- Fair enough with the prado where it was a bit dicey between an underpowered diesel and a thirsty petrol but that diesel donk in the 200 is out of this world, it's certainly much better than the petrol unit which is a carryover from the 100 series which is both underpowered and thirsty.
The Y62 is a nice truck, and Nissan have been pretty judicious with their pencil sharpner on the price as they weren't selling that many. There's two things that I'd be worried about though:

1) Independant Suspenion all round means limited axel articulation, same as Pajeros- Which are noted for their poor wheel travel, I'm not sure what sort of aftermarket options are out there for them either.

2) New car, hasn't been around that long (5 years ish) and the highest km one I can find on Carsales at the minute only has 150K on it- What parts are weak on them/ issues they have aren't going to be as clear as a 200 or 150 the former of whch is over 10 years old now, and the latter 9.

[BiLLz0r Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close BiLLz0r]

If I could afford it and had the room to park it I'd have a 200 Diesel in a heart beat. My uncle has the Kakado and it's a great 4wd and will tow the skin off anything.

[CamJam Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close CamJam]

Yeah, the thing with the Patrol on the forums appears to have been the transmission (similar to Prado) but looks like it's fixed (similar to Prado). The wheel articulation isn't too much of an issue - it's the touring outback car, not the rock crawling one for me. But the HBMC is a concern of mine - it's why I wouldn't buy a KDSS LC200 or Prado - it's more expensive to raise (if you do it) and another thing both have issues with. The current shape Prado Vx in Petrol would be ideal! But we will see how we go. I may have just got a curve ball from work that see's me overseas for a couple of years so this may be a moot point

[stevensr34 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close stevensr34]

The current shape Prado Vx in Petrol would be ideal!

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