Impressed with the new LC200 but...

[Grandeman Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Grandeman]

I'm not too worried about the kerb weight, as I don't think it is much more than a Disco 3 (in fact, it might even be less than the HSE Disco).

How could you not be worried?

It's a thing called freedom, mate.

I have plenty of things to worry about in life - and Toyota's product development isn't one of them. If that worries you, then your life must be a helluva lot less complicated than most and I compliment you for it... in fact, I am rather envious...

BTW, I do pay for my own fuel and for everything else I do, that's why I pays my money and makes my choice.

I wonder if you been on the HSV forums and Land Rover forums telling their members that they should be worried about their V8's and fuel consumption...

If you feel that strongly about it, you might be best to voice your concerns regarding the profligacy of V8's direct to Toyota, HSV, Ford, Ferrari, etc...

Having said that, I respect that you are entitled to your opinion even if I necessarily don't agree with it. The forum is a place where we can express our opinions freely and without being criticised for them. There is a line between vigorous & healthy debate and trying to force one's opinions onto others.

[ChrisD Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ChrisD]

I'd gladly have one over my Prado.

[jeff s Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close jeff s]

Your a bad man ChrisD.





But so would I ops:

[SSbaby Member Find all posts View Profile Close SSbaby]

I'm not too worried about the kerb weight, as I don't think it is much more than a Disco 3 (in fact, it might even be less than the HSE Disco).

How could you not be worried?

It's a thing called freedom, mate.

I have plenty of things to worry about in life - and Toyota's product development isn't one of them. If that worries you, then your life must be a helluva lot less complicated than most and I compliment you for it... in fact, I am rather envious...

BTW, I do pay for my own fuel and for everything else I do, that's why I pays my money and makes my choice.

I wonder if you been on the HSV forums and Land Rover forums telling their members that they should be worried about their V8's and fuel consumption...

If you feel that strongly about it, you might be best to voice your concerns regarding the profligacy of V8's direct to Toyota, HSV, Ford, Ferrari, etc...

Having said that, I respect that you are entitled to your opinion even if I necessarily don't agree with it. The forum is a place where we can express our opinions freely and without being criticised for them. There is a line between vigorous & healthy debate and trying to force one's opinions onto others.

Wow. I guess your opinion is of more value to Toyota than mine? Sorry if I've hit a raw nerve with regards to the price of oil. There comes a point in time where potential customers would turn away... I don't believe we've reached that point. YET.

But if you believe that Toyota will ignore my constructive criticism, that's your opinion and I choose to ignore some posts while voicing my concern at what I regard as blatant ignorance by some. I'm not implying you're one of those persons. But the way you expressed yourself on what is a Prado forum doesn't exempt you from criticism.

My basic message to Toyota is that I hope Prado isn't a technical copy of LC200. Toyota can kiss a sale good-bye if they choose to do so. Not that it would deter you as you will buy a Toyota regardless... to the envy of some here, no doubt. But not me. Fortunately, Toyota's product range is expansive enough to cater for just about every shopper. But the message about fuel economy and weight musn't go unnoticed.

If you feel you were personally attacked, you are wrong. No apology necessary, therefore.

[jeff s Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close jeff s]

The LC200 will sell like hotcakes. As will the next gen patrol.
They are flagships of the respective companies regarding off road.
And ditto for the next and future models..

And people want them

just like the Suzuki Hayabusa and the Kawasaki ZX14.
Both outrageously powerful. but as flagships of the companies they will allways be snapped up.
(ps I have the ZX14)


Same as effies and the list goes on. As long as they are producing diesel and petrol people will use it no matter what.

Jeff.

[SSbaby Member Find all posts View Profile Close SSbaby]

The LC200 will sell like hotcakes. As will the next gen patrol.
They are flagships of the respective companies regarding off road.
And ditto for the next and future models..

And people want them

just like the Suzuki Hayabusa and the Kawasaki ZX14.
Both outrageously powerful. but as flagships of the companies they will allways be snapped up.
(ps I have the ZX14)


Same as effies and the list goes on. As long as they are producing diesel and petrol people will use it no matter what.

Jeff.

Ya see, that's the difference between private customers and those leasing. I guess you have ignored that some members might actually be private buyers.

Those purchasing via lease arrangements are sheltered to some extent wrt fuel/depreciation costs. I don't know if the comment "of course I pays my money" is tongue in cheek but it's no secret that fuel costs and depreciation are factored in.. and a substantial rebate is returned.

I post in response to how these costs affect me. However, it mightn't impact you in the slightest. That's my problem, not yours.

[AJ Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close AJ]

Did notice that they have 2 batteries in the sahara at least... is that a dual battery system? or using two in parrallel? I havnt read yet what it is...

Jeff S,

The two batteries are starting batteries, so a THIRD battery would be needed to keep the fridge humming. With a vehicle so heavy, that's just extra weight that would be better spend elsewhere in my opinion.

Having said that.... I WANT ONE!!!

One thing that I cannot understand is how Toyota persist in mounting the spare underneath where another 100 litres or so of fuel could be stored. It seems to be something that they cannot let go of. Surely with them seeing 7 out of 10 (give or take :wink: ) 80 and 100's getting around with the rear wheel on the rear bar they would take this to their design tables...

But hey, that's just my opinion.

Cheers,
AJ

[jeff s Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close jeff s]

Ya see, that's the difference between private customers and those leasing. I guess you have ignored that some members might actually be private buyers.

Those purchasing via lease arrangements are sheltered to some extent wrt fuel/depreciation costs. I don't know if the comment "of course I pays my money" is tongue in cheek but it's no secret that fuel costs and depreciation are factored in.. and a substantial rebate is returned.

I post in response to how these costs affect me. However, it mightn't impact you in the slightest. That's my problem, not yours.

I'm a private buyer.

But thats why the world is as it is today. Choices.

Thats why the pryius(?spelling) and ather small cars are produced, For people who dont want the latest gen offerings of the 4x4 giants..

And I would think that the fuel consumption of say a diesel 80series compared to the newLC200 would surprise some people. and that is with a weight increase. The engines are quite fuel efficient.

Jeff.

[Grandeman Avid PP Poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Grandeman]

The LC200 will sell like hotcakes. As will the next gen patrol.
They are flagships of the respective companies regarding off road.
And ditto for the next and future models..

And people want them

just like the Suzuki Hayabusa and the Kawasaki ZX14.
Both outrageously powerful. but as flagships of the companies they will allways be snapped up.
(ps I have the ZX14)


Same as effies and the list goes on. As long as they are producing diesel and petrol people will use it no matter what.

Jeff.

I agree with you Jeff.

In fact I remember similar cries of weight gain and flab, regarding the 100 series, when it was first released. Many years later, it has proven itself a popular and reliable vehicle. I expect that the 200 series will fare similarly in the long-term.

However, I do try to avoid buying the first series of any car, to allow sufficient time to iron the bugs out - I have identified the ones that concern me in a previous post above.

[Crammy Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Crammy]

SS,

I guess you'll find with most cars these days that it's inevitable that their weights are going to go up in some shape or form. Remember that just about every car out there has a direct competitor, and to stay ahead of their rivals they have to make the better product by adding more equipment, be it safety stuff or some fan dangled piece of kit.

Interestingly enough I think the LC200 is pretty fuel efficient for a 2.5+ tonne block of steel. Take the VE commodore V8 for example; I'm guessing their ADR fuel figures are pretty well on the money with the LC200 petrol figure. Given that there's about a minimum 800kg difference I'd say that’s pretty damn good. The diesel is better again at 10.3L/100 and fuel efficiency per tonne is on par with the Prado D4D.

But at the end of the day I think if you bought a Prado and spent the difference between the 2 on mods, you'll have it exactly how you want it, it'd be very capable of road and the missus would have an easier time parking it! :lol:

[SSbaby Member Find all posts View Profile Close SSbaby]

Ya see, that's the difference between private customers and those leasing. I guess you have ignored that some members might actually be private buyers.

Those purchasing via lease arrangements are sheltered to some extent wrt fuel/depreciation costs. I don't know if the comment "of course I pays my money" is tongue in cheek but it's no secret that fuel costs and depreciation are factored in.. and a substantial rebate is returned.

I post in response to how these costs affect me. However, it mightn't impact you in the slightest. That's my problem, not yours.

I'm a private buyer.

But thats why the world is as it is today. Choices.

Thats why the pryius(?spelling) and ather small cars are produced, For people who dont want the latest gen offerings of the 4x4 giants..

And I would think that the fuel consumption of say a diesel 80series compared to the newLC200 would surprise some people. and that is with a weight increase. The engines are quite fuel efficient.

Jeff.

Ahhhh but that's where you and I differ, Jeff. I basically cannot afford the LC200 diesel... as shocking as it may seem to some people on this forum. The $10K difference STINGS.

I can stretch the budget to the petrol but it will really hurt us in the hip pocket given it will be a daily driver. Which is exactly the reason why I voice my displeasure on Toyota's policy on engine efficiency and pricing structure. What I'm basically saying is that I would love the LC200 except for a few important 'flaws'. These flaws may not be applicable for some, but in my circumstances, my comments are completely valid.

Unlike some buyers here, I am more subjective than most. I buy what best suits my needs. Some buy LCs simply they are built for their purpose and maybe also because they can... Hey, if my work allowed me the privilege, I'd give it careful consideration, too.

OK. When Toyota conceived the LC200 they probably didn't intend it for yours truly. But that doesn't stop salespersons trying to interest you in one.

Horses for courses.

[MattWhite Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close MattWhite]

Your first post asked for responses SSbaby yet you flame anyone who differs from you.
Personally I have no hope of affording one but I also recognise that I am far from the top of the socio-economic tree. I love what I have but admire anything better.
I also believe that while I am starting to check my wallet before I completely fill the Prado there are still A LOT of people out there that simply dont care yet. We still have people spending thousands on there car at work. New car sales are up every consecutive year.
As for the LC200 itself, the spare underneath doesn't really matter anymore as from what I understand they are getting too close to the GVM to carry any more fuel anyway. I also think that most of new Cruisers for years have mostly been tow vehicles and having driven a diesel Sahara I can vouch for one that they do this VERY competently.
But hey, if it's not for you, thats cool. Dont buy one!

My 2c.

[SSbaby Member Find all posts View Profile Close SSbaby]

Your first post asked for responses SSbaby yet you flame anyone who differs from you.
Personally I have no hope of affording one but I also recognise that I am far from the top of the socio-economic tree. I love what I have but admire anything better.
I also believe that while I am starting to check my wallet before I completely fill the Prado there are still A LOT of people out there that simply dont care yet. We still have people spending thousands on there car at work. New car sales are up every consecutive year.
As for the LC200 itself, the spare underneath doesn't really matter anymore as from what I understand they are getting too close to the GVM to carry any more fuel anyway. I also think that most of new Cruisers for years have mostly been tow vehicles and having driven a diesel Sahara I can vouch for one that they do this VERY competently.
But hey, if it's not for you, thats cool. Dont buy one!

My 2c.

Well merry xmas to you too.

Flaming is a strong word. Fine if there's the don't cares but there's also the do cares. I just don't feel it's ethical for persons to say they don't care as if it comes across as an opinion that should be shared by all.

As I said, my message was not designed to ridicule anyone. The message was targeted at Toyota. Whether you agree or not is no skin off my nose but if the LC200 was saving you $20 a week in fuel bills, don't thank me for asking Toyota to rethink it's weight and fuel economy targets.

I don't think I need to justify myself any further. If you don't like my comments, simple, don't respond!